French knife laws.

In France (I live there) courts have determined that a normal-sized Laguiole-type pocket knife is not a weapon but a 'traditional culinary tool'. It seems that the same thing has happened with Opinels. In the latter case, more difficult as they do have a locking ring and could thus, according to urban lawyer types (the people who tend to become members of parliament or government bureaucrats) be used as a stabbing weapon. The Laguiole is a slipjoint with a very sturdy backspring, but no lock.
There are in fact few precise descriptions of 'illegal' blades in France. As in many countries, stillettos and similar automatic knives are banned. For the rest, there is a list of characteristics used by customs that define blades that illegal to import. That includes double-edged blades of more than 150 mm, with a substantial hand guard. Basically, bayonets and similar stuff. Most sturdy fixed blades with one cutting edge are not illegal to own or to carry when you have a good excuse, like doing forestry work or working on a farm and so on. Hunting knives and even spears with humongously aggressive blades and telescopic poles are legal when you are a hunter and on a hunt or on your way to and from one (so are pump-action shotguns and heavy-calibre sniper rifles with telescopic sights and silencers, but then, hunters have a very powerful lobby in this country). But even a hunter is not supposed to walk into his local bank carrying a ten-inch bowie (or his gun).
The crux is that any object that can be used as a 'weapon by intent' is illegal, at the discretion of law enforcement officers. So you can take your Laguiole to a French bistro to cut your steak, but it will be confiscated if you are stopped and frisked near a riot. Then, carrying a brick you just liberated from the road is also considered carrying a weapon by intent...
The freedom of law enforcement officers to decide what is acceptable depending on the situation means that on the one hand you can get away with a lot in rural France where the Gendarmerie acts as the police and where they know that people always carry knives to repair fences, prune bushes, cut bread, cheese and sausages and so on (as they do themselves), but that a city policeman may confiscate your knife because has a less relaxed attitude towards bladed items that in his operational environment may often be used as weapons in bad neighborhoods. Or a policeperson may just confiscate it because they hope to add a nice knife to their own collection... (one reason to always officially protest and take it to a judge if it concerns a valuable knife and not some ten-dollar cheapo).
Personally, I have had to check in my Laguiole and two Leathermans at the entry of a Parisian museum and got them back when I left; I have pulled a machete from my car in front of a Gendarme to chop away at bramble bushes that blocked our way into a field where I had landed my hot-air balloon, and the guy did not blink (OK, the passenger of the balloon flight was his mum, but still...). I have also walked into the local offices of the gendarmerie several times on different business while carrying my Laguiole and Leatherman visibly in sheaths on my belt, without any reaction at all. But when I travel to Paris and have to use the metro there, or visit some government building, I don't carry my usual blades, I'll take a mini leatherman squirt and leave it at that.
 
In France (I live there) courts have determined that a normal-sized Laguiole-type pocket knife is not a weapon...
Schwep,

I returned two weeks ago from a three week trip through france. I drive a VW California camper van and we crossed the border in Irun (I live in Bilbao, like 1,5h away from the border), went up along the west coast (Landes, Nantes, Bretagne, Normandie, Disney, etc). I carried the whole time, used my knives ocassionally and never got an issue. However I left a SAK knife (Wenger Ranger, shorta big, black and heavy) in the backpack when we went to Disney and in the security control (Xrayed all the bags and you went through a metal detector) I was asked to politely take it back to my van or leave it there.

Completly my fault, should have checked the rules before carrying a knife. At least they gave me the chance to take it back instead of taking it from me right away.

I own only one Laguiole but I am not to happy about it. It is not "Elcheapo" brand and the blade contacts the back spacer near the tip, totally dulling that spot anytime you close the knife.

Again, if you are not doing stupid things or are extremely unlucky, you will be ok. I still like france. They let me take crabs while spearfishing!

Mikel
 
A good mate of mine is a Gendarme and the point about socially acceptable knives is true. A beautiful well made large folding knife is no issue, as long as you're not waving it around, but he did frown when I attached a paracord knife in horizontal carry on my belt in the small of my back.
 
.... he did frown when I attached a paracord knife in horizontal carry on my belt in the small of my back.

Well, while I don't doubt at all about the convenience of carrying a knife like that, it certainly screams "hidden weapon" to me. Not so much as "big fixed blade upside down in shoulder harness under your shirt"... but ALMOST....:D:D:D:D:D

Mikel
 
In France (I live there) courts have determined that a normal-sized Laguiole-type pocket knife is not a weapon but a 'traditional culinary tool'. It seems that the same thing has happened with Opinels. In the latter case, more difficult as they do have a locking ring and could thus, according to urban lawyer types (the people who tend to become members of parliament or government bureaucrats) be used as a stabbing weapon. The Laguiole is a slipjoint with a very sturdy backspring, but no lock.
There are in fact few precise descriptions of 'illegal' blades in France. As in many countries, stillettos and similar automatic knives are banned. For the rest, there is a list of characteristics used by customs that define blades that illegal to import. That includes double-edged blades of more than 150 mm, with a substantial hand guard. Basically, bayonets and similar stuff. Most sturdy fixed blades with one cutting edge are not illegal to own or to carry when you have a good excuse, like doing forestry work or working on a farm and so on. Hunting knives and even spears with humongously aggressive blades and telescopic poles are legal when you are a hunter and on a hunt or on your way to and from one (so are pump-action shotguns and heavy-calibre sniper rifles with telescopic sights and silencers, but then, hunters have a very powerful lobby in this country). But even a hunter is not supposed to walk into his local bank carrying a ten-inch bowie (or his gun).
The crux is that any object that can be used as a 'weapon by intent' is illegal, at the discretion of law enforcement officers. So you can take your Laguiole to a French bistro to cut your steak, but it will be confiscated if you are stopped and frisked near a riot. Then, carrying a brick you just liberated from the road is also considered carrying a weapon by intent...
The freedom of law enforcement officers to decide what is acceptable depending on the situation means that on the one hand you can get away with a lot in rural France where the Gendarmerie acts as the police and where they know that people always carry knives to repair fences, prune bushes, cut bread, cheese and sausages and so on (as they do themselves), but that a city policeman may confiscate your knife because has a less relaxed attitude towards bladed items that in his operational environment may often be used as weapons in bad neighborhoods. Or a policeperson may just confiscate it because they hope to add a nice knife to their own collection... (one reason to always officially protest and take it to a judge if it concerns a valuable knife and not some ten-dollar cheapo).
Personally, I have had to check in my Laguiole and two Leathermans at the entry of a Parisian museum and got them back when I left; I have pulled a machete from my car in front of a Gendarme to chop away at bramble bushes that blocked our way into a field where I had landed my hot-air balloon, and the guy did not blink (OK, the passenger of the balloon flight was his mum, but still...). I have also walked into the local offices of the gendarmerie several times on different business while carrying my Laguiole and Leatherman visibly in sheaths on my belt, without any reaction at all. But when I travel to Paris and have to use the metro there, or visit some government building, I don't carry my usual blades, I'll take a mini leatherman squirt and leave it at that.
So it seems as long as it's deemed a common culinary tool it's legal. But is a weapon not a tool also, a tool which can be used for either good or evil?
 
People are generally inclined in France to see knives as tools, BUT if you wave around your 7 inch serrated zombie killer Bowie in public you may well bring the wrong sort of attention on yourself...
 
(Not sure to start a new thread, this one's title seems relevant enough)

News concerning french knife laws, starting April 2024 :

If you are found carrying a "category D weapon" (ie. blade, knuckle duster, defense spray, etc..) you can be fined ("Amende Forfaitaire Délictuelle") immediately (400€ when paying immediately, 500€ and more, if later payment) by the LEO. And the item can be confiscated & destroyed.

This "experimentation" starts today (april 2024) in some bigger french cities (Bobigny, Bordeaux, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Montpellier, Nantes, Nice, Pontoise, Rennes, Saint-Etienne et Toulouse.)/ Staring may 2024, Paris.

It's not very clear to me (despite having read several news articles regarding this matter), if this is still at the appreciation of the LEO, or it will be systematic.
 
Some important precisions (as I understand it) :

- like before, the law says that you can't carry on your person a category D weapon (ie. blade, etc...) UNLESS you have a legitimate reason to carry it.
- the legitimate reason being at the appreciation of the police officer who is controlling you
- in case he thinks it's not legitimate, that's the new process : he will now be able to directly give you the fine to pay (and not a juge in a court, like before), your weapon will be destroyed AND this offense will be added to your criminal record! (this main reason is so the courts won't be burdened with these minor cases anymore)

So, as always, be sensitive when carrying a knife in town, don't flaunt it, avoid "tactical". It's quite rare to be controlled for this but you have to know the risks.

The current trends of daily savage stabbings in the news certainly don't help (you know, "young little savages in the suburbs" or "mentally ill psychos", mostly, but I won't delve into that). Most political personnel here are always pushing the envelope towards reducing our weapon/knife rights (whatever is their political affiliation, left or right).
 
...The current trends of daily savage stabbings in the news certainly don't help (you know, "young little savages in the suburbs" or "mentally ill psychos", mostly, but I won't delve into that). Most political personnel here are always pushing the envelope towards reducing our weapon/knife rights (whatever is their political affiliation, left or right).
The answer lies not in controlling inanimate objects, which smacks of primitive fetishism/animism. The answer lies in mass expulsion of unassimilated and unassimilable Turd World barbarians from civilized societies, and back to the failed states from whence they came. Ya'll need Marion Marechal as PM, stat!
 
So if the cop doesn't like what's in your picnic basket, you're hosed. Another country (you know, the one that invented the guillotine) screwing life up for everybody that's not an, um, *affiliated* immigrant... I'll stick to Idaho, about the last sane state in America.
 
Having a knife in your picnic basket is accepted as legitimate :D

I don't want to convey the impression that cops are going to rush towards you to see what you have in your pockets.

We're not there (yet!)
 
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