Flu outbreak....

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Anybody else keeping an eye on the current flu outbreak? Looks like this one might be pretty serious. Reports changing almost by the minute, so I won't post a link.
 
I've been watching the updates ever since I heard about it yesterday afternoon.
 
The thing that has caught my attention about this is that it is a mix of 2 Swine Flu strains, 1 Avian Flu strain, and 1 Human Flu strain. They say that pigs are a great mixing vessel for flu viruses if more than one strain is present. What are the odds of this occurring naturally? Anybody got any scientific data to address that with?
 
mistwalker said:
What are the odds of this occurring naturally? Anybody got any scientific data to address that with?
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It doesn't happen unnaturally.

Pigs are the usual transition point from birds to humans. Humans are generally immune to all bird diseases; however, pigs are not. The bugs transfer from birds to pigs via food; then, the bugs evolve to different strains within the pigs; humans tending pigs pick up the illness from there, where again the bugs change to a more communicable kind. Pigs are the key, and this isn't a sentence I believe I'd ever typed before.

Bear in mind that more people die each year from the COMMON flu than all of these exotic varieties combined. If you are taking precautions against catching the regular flu (which millions of people do not), you are already taking more-than-reasonable precautions against these other kinds.
 
I've read from several sources that this years flu strain has been one of the weakest ones in recent past. My family doesn't get the flu shots anymore and we haven't had it (the classic throwing up one, that is) is 2years.

Rick
 
Watchful said:
It doesn't happen unnaturally.


Bear in mind that more people die each year from the COMMON flu than all of these exotic varieties combined. If you are taking precautions against catching the regular flu (which millions of people do not), you are already taking more-than-reasonable precautions against these other kinds.
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You need to be VERY carefull what you say. The above is so wrong it should be retracted.:mad:

People die of the flu yes but the death rate is a mere fraction of what SARs was and Avian flu. IF this is the big one we have been waiting for there could be a 50% death rate or higher for those who catch it. Think about that for a minute.
Further more regular flu kills the very young and unhealthy, some of these new strains are killing the young and healthy by using their own immune systems against them.

So before spouting drivel educate oneself so one can speak somewhat compitantly.

This is not good news if a new virus has mutated and is now spreading human to human. We all should be outright concerned about this. IF it does go pandemic washing your hands is not going to save you.

http://www.getpandemicready.org/
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html
http://www.fluwikie.com/
http://newfluwiki2.com/

Skam
 
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it's been released upon the puplic. laugh if you will, but i've known about it for months. it will come in waves. be prepared! california, texas, new york, kansas. if people would educate themselves they would already know what was coming. things do not happen by chance. there are no coinsedense's.
 
well what got my attention about this news story is the fact that my teen has been sick since tuesday with the symptoms reported... nice of them to release the info on Friday afternoon :grumpy:

this is very serious for TX... especially in such small communities that have large "immigrant" populations and where the doctors are informed last. yeah, i'm concerned.
 
skammer said:
You need to be VERY carefull what you say. The above is so wrong it should be retracted.:mad:

People die of the flu yes but the death rate is a mere fraction of what SARs was and Avian flu. IF this is the big one we have been waiting for there could be a 50% death rate or higher for those who catch it. Think about that for a minute.
Further more regular flu kills the very young and unhealthy, some of these new strains are killing the young and healthy by using their own immune systems against them.

So before spouting drivel educate oneself so one can speak somewhat compitantly.

This is not good news if a new virus has mutated and is now spreading human to human. We all should be outright concerned about this. IF it does go pandemic washing your hands is not going to save you.

http://www.getpandemicready.org/
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html
http://www.fluwikie.com/
http://newfluwiki2.com/

Skam
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I've read it killed about 20 people out of over 1,000 infected. Odds are good they were the weakest ones, just as with the common flu. Calm down.
 
CaptInsano said:
I've read it killed about 20 people out of over 1,000 infected. Odds are good they were the weakest ones, just as with the common flu. Calm down.
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Haha, calm down.

Fact is you nor I know what is going on. Stats at this point are subjective at best. Numbers for Avian/SAR's are better known and are an example of what can happen.
Is this the beginning of something bigger? Could be who knows. Fact is misinformation is common and I never said this is something to panic over just outright concerned.

This is not regular flu and may turn into nothing but then again.....

:rolleyes:I dont panic as I am prepared as best I can, just keeping an eye out for updates as we all should.

FYI, I work in health care, if any disease goes pandemic I WONT! be going to work to help others and I am not alone by a long shot. The benefit of knowing too much. Sleep well.

SKam
 
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they are reporting on the net (i have no idiot box) that it was manufactured in a lab. as skam says, be prepared. i won't be leaving the mountain anytime soon. got food, beer and booze!! and i will sleep well. the fool's that haven't paid attention-oh well! not my problem! the educated and strong will survive!
 
skammer said:
Haha, calm down.

Fact is you nor I know what is going on. Stats at this point are subjective at best. Numbers for Avian/SAR's are better known and are an example of what can happen. [/B]
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There are much better examples of what "can" happen. I think I'll wait to get upset about this flu until there's more than a couple tenths of a percent chance that I'll die from it. Right now it is only useful in terms of modeling.


skammer said:
Is this the beginning of something bigger? Could be who knows. Fact is misinformation is common and I never said this is something to panic over just outright concerned. [/B]
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What kind of misinformation have you heard?

skammer said:
This is not regular flu and may turn into nothing but then again..... [/B]
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What are its distinguishing characteristics?



skammer said:
FYI I work in health care if any disease goes pandemic I WONT be going to work to help others and I am not alone by a long shot. The benefit of knowing too much. Sleep well.
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I work in health care as well. I'll be where I feel I am needed.
 
CaptInsano said:
There are much better examples of what "can" happen. I think I'll wait to get upset about this flu until there's more than a couple tenths of a percent chance that I'll die from it. Right now it is only useful in terms of modeling.

What kind of misinformation have you heard?

What are its distinguishing characteristics?

I work in health care as well. I'll be where I feel I am needed.
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Its early no doubt. Regular flu symptomology they dont know much yet. Seems to be a hybrid of human bird swine strains.

Death toll 81 and rising say the brits at this minute. Still low death rate for now.

When/if the time comes I will be at home where I am needed with the people that matter most.;)

Skam
 
FYI, I work in health care, if any disease goes pandemic I WONT! be going to work to help others and I am not alone by a long shot. The benefit of knowing too much. Sleep well.
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Guess you didn't take that pesky little oath? :rolleyes:
 
Subject to the feelings of those who dismiss all news as a conspiracy to mislead, the kids with the "swine flu" in the U.S. had mild cases and needed no hospitalization. Some have died in Mexico. Said to be < 100 (minimal compared to the drug wars and those HAVE spread to the U.S.).

40,000 a year die of flu in the U.S. - mostly the "usual suspects" -- old and immune deficient + no shots. Slightly under motor vehicle accidents.

400,000 a year die of tobacco.

200,000 a year die of alcohol

Anyone watch Sanford and Sons? "It's the Big One, Alice!" Some day it will be. Just no reason to think this is it. But whatever floats your boat.
 
skammer said:
Its early no doubt. Regular flu symptomology they dont know much yet. Seems to be a hybrid of human bird swine strains.

Death toll 81 and rising say the brits at this minute. Still low death rate for now.

When/if the time comes I will be at home where I am needed with the people that matter most.;)

Skam
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The people in your article can't even add. 20+48=68
The French geniuses counted the 13 that died in Mexico City twice. Unless that was your example of misinformation. :confused:

http://www.france24.com/en/20090426-death-toll-swine-flu-rises-81-mexico-
 
anyone who would sacrifice their on health and family for ignorant uneducated fool's. well is a fool! i'm with skam. it's called personal resposibility. if people aren't prepared not my problem!!! if they choose not to pay attention, so be it. but i bet the fool's could tell you the score of some meaningless basketball game last night. but have no ideal of the world around them. GOOD RIDANCE!!
 
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