Been mulling this around for a couple weeks: linerless g10/zytel spydercos. Wanted to get some other perspectives. Both knives discussed bought online. Bout a month ago, got a Dodo. Black G10, plain S30v, loved it (despite no liner(s)). Something very appealing about the blade and handle design. Fairly smooth opener. Promoted immediately to EDC. Then, read a review here. Up til then, only problem Id experienced was the knife coming open in my pocket, put a nick in the crease between my lower abdomen, upper leg, The review prompted me to test the lockup, it failed, I sent it back with information on how I tested the blade. A mhayes at spyderco said theyd check it out. I asked for repair or replacement. Even if it cant be fixed, I may still EDC it, just have to develop some/more precautions. One of the prime contributors to lock up failure, I think, is handle flex which enabled the ball bearing lock to roll off the locking setup. A sheath will help with pocket openings, avoiding more than moderate pressure on the back of the locked up blade will help with the lock release problem. Dont know yet. Maybe spydie will put in some liners, use stiffer handles. I really like the way this knife works, it takes on anything, and the aesthetics blow me away.
Couple days ago, got my Native. Plain S30v, black flat stainless clip, frn handle. Sits well in the hand, good looking. Blade deployed easily. Closing somewhat sluggish. Releasing the lockback got my fingers in locations where I put a little pressure on the handle opening, found that even slight pressure caused the handle to flex and pinch the blade, preventing a clean close. Also noted that palm position during closing could easily interfere with the lockback release which also affected speed and clean finish (that click) in closing. The point of the blade set 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch above the handle. An extra press closed the blade, otherwise the portion of the blade above the handle became a hazard and a good start on pocket opening. I suppose I ought to always look the blade into the handle, but my Delica, lock back SOG, handful of Ladybugs, and linerless lockback Moki, didnt need the look in; I always get the clean close click. I dont think Ill be asking spyderco to look at the Native. After handling the knife for awhile and changing my process, I developed what appears to be a safe method of handling the native. I just dont think Ill be edcing it. Might go for the stainless handled II, but it appears to come only in serrated edge, prefer plain.
After trying out my first linerless knife at arguably the best stocked knife store on the island, and listening to the owner go on about why liners werent necessary with the new plastic/composite handle materials, I had a serious problem accepting the owners rap. Seems like that was about 2, 3 years ago. The plastic handles have been around so long now, I didnt even think about checking whether a knife had liners.
Im going back to my anality about liners in my knives.
//brief pause//
Just checked the knives named above (delica, sog, etc) one more time and see such a huge difference in performance of the lockback and overall performance of the knives that I am sending the Native back to spydie for a check. It only costs money, right. Bothers me, a lot.
Comments?
(One ray of sunshine: started edcing my gerber air ranger as I worked through the above issues a really handy, sharp, secure in the hand, smooth, sturdy knife.)
Couple days ago, got my Native. Plain S30v, black flat stainless clip, frn handle. Sits well in the hand, good looking. Blade deployed easily. Closing somewhat sluggish. Releasing the lockback got my fingers in locations where I put a little pressure on the handle opening, found that even slight pressure caused the handle to flex and pinch the blade, preventing a clean close. Also noted that palm position during closing could easily interfere with the lockback release which also affected speed and clean finish (that click) in closing. The point of the blade set 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch above the handle. An extra press closed the blade, otherwise the portion of the blade above the handle became a hazard and a good start on pocket opening. I suppose I ought to always look the blade into the handle, but my Delica, lock back SOG, handful of Ladybugs, and linerless lockback Moki, didnt need the look in; I always get the clean close click. I dont think Ill be asking spyderco to look at the Native. After handling the knife for awhile and changing my process, I developed what appears to be a safe method of handling the native. I just dont think Ill be edcing it. Might go for the stainless handled II, but it appears to come only in serrated edge, prefer plain.
After trying out my first linerless knife at arguably the best stocked knife store on the island, and listening to the owner go on about why liners werent necessary with the new plastic/composite handle materials, I had a serious problem accepting the owners rap. Seems like that was about 2, 3 years ago. The plastic handles have been around so long now, I didnt even think about checking whether a knife had liners.
Im going back to my anality about liners in my knives.
//brief pause//
Just checked the knives named above (delica, sog, etc) one more time and see such a huge difference in performance of the lockback and overall performance of the knives that I am sending the Native back to spydie for a check. It only costs money, right. Bothers me, a lot.
Comments?
(One ray of sunshine: started edcing my gerber air ranger as I worked through the above issues a really handy, sharp, secure in the hand, smooth, sturdy knife.)
paracord so I won't lose baby. Heck, you might decide to lose the clip entirely. "Pocket" knives got along without clips for hundreds of years.