This is unfortunate. Ive been keeping track of this thread and havent posted on it so I could see where it went. Magnumb, you have been very giving with your gesture and I think very patient as well. When reading your posts there is a "Hey buddy, contact me" for sure. One of my biggest pet peeves is not getting a responce to emails,pms,etc. Its just common courtesyin my mind. Usually there is a reason for the lack of communication,and most times its bad. I hope BG contacts you, you deserve at least that much!
Selling to fund vet bills.
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Thanks Chris.........I'm really a bit lost in regards to what has happened since I sent the $ and Ray informed me that he had received it. I just figured that a good 'ole boy thing was goin' on and it's just "too damn bad for magnumb, but that's his problem for helpin' out"........sort of deal. I appreciate your input and it makes me feel alot better about this situation and about this/your forum, as well, whether this situation will ever be resolved or not.........thank you for your kind words. I suppose that Bill is out huntin' and I sure can't blame him for that!! He deserves some time off, but I figure that when he has time that he'll likely offer up some insight into what's going on here or at least take a stab at it. He obviously knows Ray much better than I do.
I suppose that Ray could say that he was only kidding Scott and never intended to buy a knife from him as he stated that he would attempt to do when he said, "I'll see if I can scrape up the money)", but that doesn't much sound like a joke to me. Why say something that you don't really intend to do....? So Scott, I'm assuming (who I've never met and is likely a very nice person and respected knifemaker), is left thinking that Ray intends to buy one of his knives, but if he was only kidding Scott.....has then left Scott thinking that he may have a buyer for one of his knives when he really doesn't. Just exactly like how Ray left me thinking from his own posts that the knife he sold me would be his #1 priority to purchase back from me when he got on his feet again. Sooooo......if Ray just likes to just BS people or worse and he really has an issue with being honest and truthful, I guess that I just happened to be the next guy in line to be on the receiving end.
What's even funnier (not ha-ha funny, however) is that Ray's statements to Scott were made as if he wanted to help Scott out when, in fact, Ray knows full well that he owes $ to another (perhaps many others) that had helped HIM out long before Scott ever posted these partiicular knives for sale. In no way do I blame or expect that Scott had any idea of what had occured prior to Ray's "offer" to find the funds to purchase one of Scott's remaining 4 knives. It is quite likely however, that Ray has purchased a knife, from Scott or from another maker quite recently. Why should I or would I think otherwise or anyone else for that matter, who has followed this thread.....?
If all of these statements weren't there for all to see and verify, I would not even attempt to describe to anyone, BF members or otherwise, as to what has transpired since I quickly sent the funds Ray needed with my only intent being to try to help Ray out with Bell's vet bills. I surely didn't want or need another knife, especially one custom made for him by Bill. For what it's worth...........everything that I've stated is as true as I know them to be and the statements that I've referred to...........are in Ray's own words.
I remain......confused. I stole that line from Bill.....LOL.
I suppose that Ray could say that he was only kidding Scott and never intended to buy a knife from him as he stated that he would attempt to do when he said, "I'll see if I can scrape up the money)", but that doesn't much sound like a joke to me. Why say something that you don't really intend to do....? So Scott, I'm assuming (who I've never met and is likely a very nice person and respected knifemaker), is left thinking that Ray intends to buy one of his knives, but if he was only kidding Scott.....has then left Scott thinking that he may have a buyer for one of his knives when he really doesn't. Just exactly like how Ray left me thinking from his own posts that the knife he sold me would be his #1 priority to purchase back from me when he got on his feet again. Sooooo......if Ray just likes to just BS people or worse and he really has an issue with being honest and truthful, I guess that I just happened to be the next guy in line to be on the receiving end.
What's even funnier (not ha-ha funny, however) is that Ray's statements to Scott were made as if he wanted to help Scott out when, in fact, Ray knows full well that he owes $ to another (perhaps many others) that had helped HIM out long before Scott ever posted these partiicular knives for sale. In no way do I blame or expect that Scott had any idea of what had occured prior to Ray's "offer" to find the funds to purchase one of Scott's remaining 4 knives. It is quite likely however, that Ray has purchased a knife, from Scott or from another maker quite recently. Why should I or would I think otherwise or anyone else for that matter, who has followed this thread.....?
If all of these statements weren't there for all to see and verify, I would not even attempt to describe to anyone, BF members or otherwise, as to what has transpired since I quickly sent the funds Ray needed with my only intent being to try to help Ray out with Bell's vet bills. I surely didn't want or need another knife, especially one custom made for him by Bill. For what it's worth...........everything that I've stated is as true as I know them to be and the statements that I've referred to...........are in Ray's own words.
I remain......confused. I stole that line from Bill.....LOL.
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Heres my theroy on this, i think it was very kind of you to do what you did,and all of us respect that, id post the knife forsale and get your cash back plain and simple this is been going on for way to long,no replys,no communication,just post it for sale bro and keep in mind your doing the right thing,you have waited far longer than what i woulda and id probably gotten a red ass attitude about it by now,months of passed?hows the dog? No pics,no responses,sell it mag, get your money back! Just my opinion,i didnt post b/c i didnt want in it,and i dont want the greif on the forum anymore
bests bill
YOU NEED HELP LIMME KNOW ILL DO IT FOR YA
bests bill
YOU NEED HELP LIMME KNOW ILL DO IT FOR YA
I appreciate the response Bill. Here's the rub: I gave my word to Ray that I wouldn't sell this knife. Doing less would make my actions no better than what has happened to me.
Having said that.......I do feel that I could establish a date by which Ray has enough time to respond. This gives him even a bit more time to respond as well as more time to consider his options. If he does respond by a certain date, hopefully we'll then get it sorted out together. If he doesn't......I will then put this knife up for sale immediately. How about expecting a response by noon, Tuesday, Nov. 22nd....? That gives Ray another week to respond.
Ray,
Please give this some thought and get back with me ASAP. I do not want to sell this knife to someone other than you, but you're avoiding me and creating issues that are both unnecessary and quite frankly........a PITA.
Bill,
If the outcome is that I will be selling this knife and sheath, please post the pic and specifics as you did when you made it for Ray and add that it is for sale for $210, which includes shipping within CONUS. This is the same exact price that I paid Ray for the knife and sheath. As I've always said, I didn't buy this knife to sell it and make a profit nor with any intent to keep it at all. If Ray's knife was a steal for me at $210, as you had said, then it should obviously be a real steal for someone else who intends on keeping it or selling for more $ at a later date. The knife is in the exact same, perfect condition as when received from Ray, which he stated was in the same exact condition as received from you. It has not ever been used or re-sharpened, per Ray and myself. A cashiers check or Personal Money Order will be fine. I do not have PayPal.
That should cover it........I hope. I also hope that I hear from Ray ASAP and we don't have to go this other way, but that's up to Ray.....not me.
Thanks for your input Bill. Good suggestion. Thanks in advance for your anticipated help with posting this knife and pics for sale......if need be. I don't know how to post pics, so that would be a great help to me.
Thanks again,
Ken
Having said that.......I do feel that I could establish a date by which Ray has enough time to respond. This gives him even a bit more time to respond as well as more time to consider his options. If he does respond by a certain date, hopefully we'll then get it sorted out together. If he doesn't......I will then put this knife up for sale immediately. How about expecting a response by noon, Tuesday, Nov. 22nd....? That gives Ray another week to respond.
Ray,
Please give this some thought and get back with me ASAP. I do not want to sell this knife to someone other than you, but you're avoiding me and creating issues that are both unnecessary and quite frankly........a PITA.
Bill,
If the outcome is that I will be selling this knife and sheath, please post the pic and specifics as you did when you made it for Ray and add that it is for sale for $210, which includes shipping within CONUS. This is the same exact price that I paid Ray for the knife and sheath. As I've always said, I didn't buy this knife to sell it and make a profit nor with any intent to keep it at all. If Ray's knife was a steal for me at $210, as you had said, then it should obviously be a real steal for someone else who intends on keeping it or selling for more $ at a later date. The knife is in the exact same, perfect condition as when received from Ray, which he stated was in the same exact condition as received from you. It has not ever been used or re-sharpened, per Ray and myself. A cashiers check or Personal Money Order will be fine. I do not have PayPal.
That should cover it........I hope. I also hope that I hear from Ray ASAP and we don't have to go this other way, but that's up to Ray.....not me.
Thanks for your input Bill. Good suggestion. Thanks in advance for your anticipated help with posting this knife and pics for sale......if need be. I don't know how to post pics, so that would be a great help to me.
Thanks again,
Ken
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I applaud your efforts and very thoughtful intent gooeytek. That was a honorable gesture on your part. Your extending yourself to Ray in your primary efforts to help Bell tells everyone here alot about you. I would like to assume that your contribution went ONLY to helping to pay Bell's vet bills, just as I hope mine did as well. But truth be told, at this point, I haven't a clue. Had I not read Ray's post offering to buy Scott's knife AFTER he'd received both of our contributions, I might have held out more hope that our funds went directly to pay the vet bills. But now.......not so much.
If I don't hear from Ray by the 22nd and/or if I do and he tells me to just go ahead and sell the knife........I most certainly will. It should be easy to sell 'cuz like Bill said, "it has $250 of muskox horn scales alone on it". Since I paid $210 and will only ask that same amount, I would hope to be able to sell it. I have no desire to own this knife and never did, whether very well made and beautiful or not. It just was never meant for me to own, albeit, for the short time I had intended until Ray could buy it back as he indicated he wanted very much to do. Seems that what Ray says and what he actually does don't often cross paths. In one of his posts in this thread he referrs to having screwed up alot in the past, but having learned his lesson and is now flying straight. He also added something to the effect, "like everybody else has". Well.......sure, we have all made mistakes, but I've never made a "mistake" when it was my word and reputation on the line. Some things are just not negotiable.......to my way of thinkin'. To continue to screw up, to continue to dissappoint people and to do it intentionally without regard for others or our own reputations................not actions or personality traits that I'd like to be known for.
It was hard not to notice that once Ray received my $ that his interest in his thread and informing us as to how Bell was doing went right out the door. His only posts after receiving the $ were made 'cuz a few of us kept posting him and asking how Bell was doing. Not one time after his initial post did Ray make any attempt to show any thankfulness to anyone who had either helped him out or offered to do so. No matter what experiences people have had in their lives, no matter what family situation or planet you come from......being courteous and respectful are just about as basic as it comes.
I hope that Ray would do what I know many here would do and cuts you a check in the amount that you sent him, whether you expect that or not. Given what we know now, it would seem the only honorable way to go. I know that you don't expect that and didn't from the start, but given his actions and purchasing attempts as of late, it would be the right thing for him to do. When I sent Ray the funds requested for his knife, I was still receiving funds from my Retirement Health Savings Plan. In June, those funds ran out. I had a "personal stash" set aside for my own use and the funds I sent Ray came from this source. Rather than try to exxplain to my wife that I'd like to send $200+ to somebody I'd never met nor talked to to help him out, I thought that perhaps using my own $ might be less of a hassle. Really......who sends someone that kind of $ without ever meeting them and based only on their word that they need it? Well gooeytek......it seems that you and I do......
I know that Bill is upset with how this has all gone down as well. I don't blame him. I'm hoping that the "grief" he is speaking of in his last post has everything to do with Ray's actions and behavior rather than my bringing it up in his forum. Ray started this thread with it clearly being personal in nature........helping him out to pay vet bills. I have tried all possible ways to contact Ray, but he won't respond. It can't be fine that my earliest posts in this thread were very acceptable 'cuz they were all about me helping Ray out, but now suddenly unacceptable and causing grief 'cuz things went south and all is not warm and fuzzy.
Life does have it's ups and downs, forums as well and I would fully expect that we've all read much more dramatic and explosive posts than what has been presented here. If nothing else, it can perhaps be turned into a positive experience and maybe save others the "grief" that has already impacted both gooeytek and myself. But as for any reason to cause anyone else any grief......I don't think so. If it causes Ray to be a bit uncomfortable, well, that feeling is totally self-inflicted and not anyone's else's fault but his own. Any posts that you or I have made should not cause any other member any grief or to feel uncomfortable........it isn't anyone else's fault.
I think that it's better to be informed than not. I would guess that most understand the intent of gooeytek's and my posts and might heed our advice. Our posts were offered not to cause other non-involved members or this forum grief, but to inform them of the possibilities so that they might not find themselves in this same predicament in the future........nothing more.
I wish that someone/anyone would have done that for me and gooeytek before we took our leap of faith. Then again, perhaps no one knew any better which might indicate that Ray had always been up front prior to this "vet bill" deal. I would truly like to believe that it isn't just the way he does business. But whether once or 100 times, I am unfortunately alot more skeptical about what people say since this incident. I don't like feeling that way.....not at all.
If I don't hear from Ray by the 22nd and/or if I do and he tells me to just go ahead and sell the knife........I most certainly will. It should be easy to sell 'cuz like Bill said, "it has $250 of muskox horn scales alone on it". Since I paid $210 and will only ask that same amount, I would hope to be able to sell it. I have no desire to own this knife and never did, whether very well made and beautiful or not. It just was never meant for me to own, albeit, for the short time I had intended until Ray could buy it back as he indicated he wanted very much to do. Seems that what Ray says and what he actually does don't often cross paths. In one of his posts in this thread he referrs to having screwed up alot in the past, but having learned his lesson and is now flying straight. He also added something to the effect, "like everybody else has". Well.......sure, we have all made mistakes, but I've never made a "mistake" when it was my word and reputation on the line. Some things are just not negotiable.......to my way of thinkin'. To continue to screw up, to continue to dissappoint people and to do it intentionally without regard for others or our own reputations................not actions or personality traits that I'd like to be known for.
It was hard not to notice that once Ray received my $ that his interest in his thread and informing us as to how Bell was doing went right out the door. His only posts after receiving the $ were made 'cuz a few of us kept posting him and asking how Bell was doing. Not one time after his initial post did Ray make any attempt to show any thankfulness to anyone who had either helped him out or offered to do so. No matter what experiences people have had in their lives, no matter what family situation or planet you come from......being courteous and respectful are just about as basic as it comes.
I hope that Ray would do what I know many here would do and cuts you a check in the amount that you sent him, whether you expect that or not. Given what we know now, it would seem the only honorable way to go. I know that you don't expect that and didn't from the start, but given his actions and purchasing attempts as of late, it would be the right thing for him to do. When I sent Ray the funds requested for his knife, I was still receiving funds from my Retirement Health Savings Plan. In June, those funds ran out. I had a "personal stash" set aside for my own use and the funds I sent Ray came from this source. Rather than try to exxplain to my wife that I'd like to send $200+ to somebody I'd never met nor talked to to help him out, I thought that perhaps using my own $ might be less of a hassle. Really......who sends someone that kind of $ without ever meeting them and based only on their word that they need it? Well gooeytek......it seems that you and I do......
I know that Bill is upset with how this has all gone down as well. I don't blame him. I'm hoping that the "grief" he is speaking of in his last post has everything to do with Ray's actions and behavior rather than my bringing it up in his forum. Ray started this thread with it clearly being personal in nature........helping him out to pay vet bills. I have tried all possible ways to contact Ray, but he won't respond. It can't be fine that my earliest posts in this thread were very acceptable 'cuz they were all about me helping Ray out, but now suddenly unacceptable and causing grief 'cuz things went south and all is not warm and fuzzy.
Life does have it's ups and downs, forums as well and I would fully expect that we've all read much more dramatic and explosive posts than what has been presented here. If nothing else, it can perhaps be turned into a positive experience and maybe save others the "grief" that has already impacted both gooeytek and myself. But as for any reason to cause anyone else any grief......I don't think so. If it causes Ray to be a bit uncomfortable, well, that feeling is totally self-inflicted and not anyone's else's fault but his own. Any posts that you or I have made should not cause any other member any grief or to feel uncomfortable........it isn't anyone else's fault.
I think that it's better to be informed than not. I would guess that most understand the intent of gooeytek's and my posts and might heed our advice. Our posts were offered not to cause other non-involved members or this forum grief, but to inform them of the possibilities so that they might not find themselves in this same predicament in the future........nothing more.
I wish that someone/anyone would have done that for me and gooeytek before we took our leap of faith. Then again, perhaps no one knew any better which might indicate that Ray had always been up front prior to this "vet bill" deal. I would truly like to believe that it isn't just the way he does business. But whether once or 100 times, I am unfortunately alot more skeptical about what people say since this incident. I don't like feeling that way.....not at all.
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Wait a minute...so some of you actually sent him cash? I would be pissed to say the least. I don't know Ray, only spoke to him once after he purchased a knife from me. I can only speculate as to what happened but after reading your post Magnumb about the Gossman knife it would seem that there might have been a "I gotta buy another knife" scenario. Knives are addictive to some people. I hope that was not the case in this instance.
Oh boy!!! I DO very much know that knives are addictive to some people.....LOL. I am very likely one of those people, but not at the expense of anyone but ME, not on someone else's dime.......there's the difference. Ray's knife is very, very nice. But it is not a knife that I would have bought for myself....obviously, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. So the $ I sent Ray is now $ I don't have to buy a knife that I might want in the future....special order from Bill or just one he builds and posts on the forum that I like. This deal has limited my ability to purchase an item that I might really want. I also expect that gooeytek could have spent his "donated" $ on something that he'd like as well.
The Gossman deal is what prompted me to really share my thoughts here. I was waiting around and just hoping that Ray would eventually respond..........nuthin'. Then when I read the post where he's going to try and "scrape some $ up and get back to Scott" to purchase a knife likely more expensive than the one I bought from him.......game over. A guy can only take so much.
I'm sure that it wasn't lost on most members here that I purchased many more than a couple handfuls of Bill's knives since joining BF in June of this year. To this day, I cherish them all. I've got one each for my son and daughter all wrapped up for Xmas presents right now and will be gifting another one to my brother at Xmas time, as well. I've also recently bought several other knives from other makers after Bill was kind enough to relieve me of my own guilt about maybe trying out other makers knives. He was very supportive of me doing that saying that it's good to experience other makers skills, styles and talents........how's that for cool? The few others I've purchased are great as well, but whether Bill appreciates it or not.........his style and detailed work fits my needs best. 'Nuff said.
Chris..........the funds that gooeytek and I sent Ray are the ONLY funds that we currently know about. For all I knew until gooeytek posted, I thought that I was alone on this one. For all we know even now, there may be no others or perhaps many more contributors.........who knows? Some may be too embarassed to post for whatever reasons. Had someone sent me funds out of the kindness of their heart as gooeytek did, I sure as hell would have posted that in that same thread within the hour!!!! I don't care how many times Ray makes excuses for his behaviors, now or in the past, there is absolutely NO excuse for not mentioning this in his thread.......none. Unless of course..........he decided not to do so for his own reasons.
I find it impossible to believe that Ray isn't viewing this forum from another computer. He's admitted that he's on it constantly...as many of us are. For him not to respond tells me a bunch. I'm sure that he isn't off on some vacation.......that would take $ that he says he doesn't have. So that can't be why he's suddenly gone "missing". He could be sick enough that he can't physically log on to a 'puter or ask someone to do it for him and if that's the case................I wish him a speedy recovery and we can deal with this when he's able. Or he could be working 24/7 to repay those that he owes and just can't take the time to respond to any of these posts. Or just maybe........................none of the above.
If this knife was so special to Ray as he says, he would have made every effort to reclaim it. He said that after he saw one like this that Bill had built earlier, he had to have a muskox scaled knife. Fine.....I can understand that. Soooooo.....how can one explain any of this? Even if he is an "knife addict" (trust me....I can relate), is this knife I'm holding for him not a knife...? Is it not a supposedly "special" knife, custom made for him? It would be even cheaper to reclaim his knife rather than purchasing any of 3 out of the 4 knives that Gossman Knives (Scott) had for sale that Ray said he'd try to scrape the $ to buy just recently!! Cheaper by $55 in one case!! What am I missing? That's the most frustrating part.............his actions make no sense......whatsoever!!
An objective observer, someone with absolutely zero interest in this fiasco, could only see this one way....to my way of thinking and I didn't think of this until well into this thread. Anyone reading this thread would have to assume that from all these accounts and documented statements, that Ray just didn't want this knife anymore.........period. Sure, Bell was likely injured and Ray was looking at some vet bills. I can believe that. But if I had something so special and also had custom made for me, that would be the very LAST thing that I'd hawk!!! I'd give up booze, drugs, wild women, The Enquirer, my many porno sites (well....a few anyway) and just about everything else before I'd part with a knife, as Ray says, that meant so much to him.
WTF......?
The Gossman deal is what prompted me to really share my thoughts here. I was waiting around and just hoping that Ray would eventually respond..........nuthin'. Then when I read the post where he's going to try and "scrape some $ up and get back to Scott" to purchase a knife likely more expensive than the one I bought from him.......game over. A guy can only take so much.
I'm sure that it wasn't lost on most members here that I purchased many more than a couple handfuls of Bill's knives since joining BF in June of this year. To this day, I cherish them all. I've got one each for my son and daughter all wrapped up for Xmas presents right now and will be gifting another one to my brother at Xmas time, as well. I've also recently bought several other knives from other makers after Bill was kind enough to relieve me of my own guilt about maybe trying out other makers knives. He was very supportive of me doing that saying that it's good to experience other makers skills, styles and talents........how's that for cool? The few others I've purchased are great as well, but whether Bill appreciates it or not.........his style and detailed work fits my needs best. 'Nuff said.
Chris..........the funds that gooeytek and I sent Ray are the ONLY funds that we currently know about. For all I knew until gooeytek posted, I thought that I was alone on this one. For all we know even now, there may be no others or perhaps many more contributors.........who knows? Some may be too embarassed to post for whatever reasons. Had someone sent me funds out of the kindness of their heart as gooeytek did, I sure as hell would have posted that in that same thread within the hour!!!! I don't care how many times Ray makes excuses for his behaviors, now or in the past, there is absolutely NO excuse for not mentioning this in his thread.......none. Unless of course..........he decided not to do so for his own reasons.
I find it impossible to believe that Ray isn't viewing this forum from another computer. He's admitted that he's on it constantly...as many of us are. For him not to respond tells me a bunch. I'm sure that he isn't off on some vacation.......that would take $ that he says he doesn't have. So that can't be why he's suddenly gone "missing". He could be sick enough that he can't physically log on to a 'puter or ask someone to do it for him and if that's the case................I wish him a speedy recovery and we can deal with this when he's able. Or he could be working 24/7 to repay those that he owes and just can't take the time to respond to any of these posts. Or just maybe........................none of the above.
If this knife was so special to Ray as he says, he would have made every effort to reclaim it. He said that after he saw one like this that Bill had built earlier, he had to have a muskox scaled knife. Fine.....I can understand that. Soooooo.....how can one explain any of this? Even if he is an "knife addict" (trust me....I can relate), is this knife I'm holding for him not a knife...? Is it not a supposedly "special" knife, custom made for him? It would be even cheaper to reclaim his knife rather than purchasing any of 3 out of the 4 knives that Gossman Knives (Scott) had for sale that Ray said he'd try to scrape the $ to buy just recently!! Cheaper by $55 in one case!! What am I missing? That's the most frustrating part.............his actions make no sense......whatsoever!!
An objective observer, someone with absolutely zero interest in this fiasco, could only see this one way....to my way of thinking and I didn't think of this until well into this thread. Anyone reading this thread would have to assume that from all these accounts and documented statements, that Ray just didn't want this knife anymore.........period. Sure, Bell was likely injured and Ray was looking at some vet bills. I can believe that. But if I had something so special and also had custom made for me, that would be the very LAST thing that I'd hawk!!! I'd give up booze, drugs, wild women, The Enquirer, my many porno sites (well....a few anyway) and just about everything else before I'd part with a knife, as Ray says, that meant so much to him.
WTF......?
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SOB !!!! THIS FIASCO IS NOW OVER !!! "YOU WANT THE TRUTH....YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!!!. (I always have wanted to use that line)
Here goes:
1) 8/25/11 - Ray started his knife sale thread to "fund his vet bills".
2) 8/25/11 - I sent him off the $210 that he requested.
3) 9/7/11 Scott (Gossman Knives) posts that Ray's custom knife is now done...a very nice, expensive looking knife at that. Thread is titled, "Albino Tusker"....Check it out.
4) 9/13/11 Ray posts that he just received said knife. Check it out.
5) 2-26-2008 (stay with me now....LOL) Gossman Knives site states in his "Information Thread" that his custom build buyers will be notified one week in advance of when he begins work on their knives. It also states that he does not take deposits, but expects payment within one week after the knifes completion or it goes up for sale.
6) 10/30/11 Ray tells Scott in his "5 Knives Available" thread that he'll "try to scrape up the money" to purchase one of the 4 remaining knives (3 of which cost more than it would cost him to reclaim his $210 knife from me....as he said he truly wanted to do).
Soooooo......the "vet bill" thread was started almost exactly 2 weeks prior to Ray's knife from Gossman Knives being completed (which is about the length of time one might take to finish a custom build). Because of Scott's very fair and reasonable 1 week pay upon completion rule, Ray needed to have $ to pay for his new knife on hand and did so! In just 6 days, Scott posted that Ray's custom knife was complete, Ray was able to send the funds to Scott and Scott was able to send the knife on to Ray. By my calculations, Ray would have had to have the $ necessary to pay Scott at least by the first week in Sept,......just a few days after he would have already received the $210 from me for sure and probably around the sametime he received the $ from gooeytek, as well. I wonder how poor 'ole broke Ray was able to pay for that new knife........what do you think, gooeytek? The Bank of gooeytek/magnumb maybe? 'Course, at this exact same time, Ray was relunctantly posting about Bell's condition in our sub-forum, but stated quite willingly and without our asking that the vet bills were still coming in and he was in bad straights. We only heard from Ray very rarely when a few of us pushed for more info on how Bell was doing. No wonder Ray almost refused to respond to our inqueries about Bell..........he had alot to hide.
There it is.....done deal. I've not called Ray a liar during this whole fiasco, but I do so now. He clearly stated that he wanted this knife back before making any other purchases, yet he had one on order when he made these statements AND he plainly told Scott that he would see if he could scrape up enough $ to purchase another of his knives on 10/30/11. That's lying in my book..........plain and simple. He also took advantage of gooeytek's good will, as well. This is no less important to me and just as disturbing. He also took advantage of others positive and supportive comments about him and used them to his advantage, with no consideration for those making those comments, either their reputations or feelings. What a stand-up guy you are Ray.
I believe that gooeytek is right.....what goes around. But from your own words early on Ray, you seem to continue to screw up over and over, much more than most people. You made those statements so that others might feel sorry for you and cut you some slack so others might send you $ and you likely received every penny that was sent to you based on your BS and sad stories which as usual, were all lies. You've made your own "happiness" your highest and only priority, but at everybody else's expense....quite literally. You've managed to cause me, gooeytek and perhaps others to distrust what someone says rather than wanting to accept what people say as the truth. You lied throughout this entire mess and every post you made was designed by you to get rid of what you didn't want in order to purchase what you did want. I don't even know if Bell exists.......? And even if she does and was injured, you used your dog to satisfy your own personal needs. For that, you are a lying SOB....plain and simple. Bell and every other animal you have or might own down the road deserves much better than you. Putting your entire reputation on the line for a knife.........really? And then not getting away with it. Great trade off.
You've made your bed, I just hope that you reconsider what has obviously become a life style with you. Lie, cheat, using people and their good nature, playing the pity card, saying that you've changed your ways even though you've likely become even more dishonorable.....all BS tactics exhibited by sociopaths like yourself. Look up the definition..........it exactly defines what you have failed to do, but tried so hard to pull off. Worst part, you will now likely go on to justify your actions to yourself first and then to anybody else that will listen. Those that know you will now know that you're lying as usual and for those that don't know you....well, it shouldn't take them too long to figure you out...............just like we did.
Bill,
Please post up this knife for sale ASAP as you had offered. The knife/sheath is identical to the way I received it from Ray. I'm asking $210, the same exact price I paid for it. I will pay shipping CONUS. I will be unavailable from 11/26/11 - 12/7/11, but if it sells prior to those dates, I will get it in the mail. I expect that you can relieve anyone's concerns over any questions about my honesty in regards to me delivering said knife.....I appreciate that.....thanks.
Thanks to all of you that kept up with this and I hope that in some way, at sometime, these BS turn of events might help to deter the same thing happening to you. I truly enjoy BF, in particular this sub-forum. One bad apple doesn't spoil that feeling, but I must admit, I'll be a bit gun shy for awhile.
I hope this gives you some closure as well, gooeytek. You didn't deserve any of this either. Yep....never met a dog I didn't like. But I just added Ray to the list of humans (loosely speaking) that I wish I'd never met. Oh, that's right.........we never did meet! How stupid was I! That's what you've left me with Ray..............thanks, appreciate it.
** Once again.....I do not in anyway attach any of this BS activity to Scott at Gossman Knives. He is likely a very stand-up guy who had zero knowledge of Ray's penchant for lying and deceiving people. Every knifemaker is in the business to make $, Scott is likely no different. It is not his fault nor due to a lack of his concern about ethics on his part, I'm sure . And for what it's worth....... he does make some beautiful knives. **
I'm out...............
Here goes:
1) 8/25/11 - Ray started his knife sale thread to "fund his vet bills".
2) 8/25/11 - I sent him off the $210 that he requested.
3) 9/7/11 Scott (Gossman Knives) posts that Ray's custom knife is now done...a very nice, expensive looking knife at that. Thread is titled, "Albino Tusker"....Check it out.
4) 9/13/11 Ray posts that he just received said knife. Check it out.
5) 2-26-2008 (stay with me now....LOL) Gossman Knives site states in his "Information Thread" that his custom build buyers will be notified one week in advance of when he begins work on their knives. It also states that he does not take deposits, but expects payment within one week after the knifes completion or it goes up for sale.
6) 10/30/11 Ray tells Scott in his "5 Knives Available" thread that he'll "try to scrape up the money" to purchase one of the 4 remaining knives (3 of which cost more than it would cost him to reclaim his $210 knife from me....as he said he truly wanted to do).
Soooooo......the "vet bill" thread was started almost exactly 2 weeks prior to Ray's knife from Gossman Knives being completed (which is about the length of time one might take to finish a custom build). Because of Scott's very fair and reasonable 1 week pay upon completion rule, Ray needed to have $ to pay for his new knife on hand and did so! In just 6 days, Scott posted that Ray's custom knife was complete, Ray was able to send the funds to Scott and Scott was able to send the knife on to Ray. By my calculations, Ray would have had to have the $ necessary to pay Scott at least by the first week in Sept,......just a few days after he would have already received the $210 from me for sure and probably around the sametime he received the $ from gooeytek, as well. I wonder how poor 'ole broke Ray was able to pay for that new knife........what do you think, gooeytek? The Bank of gooeytek/magnumb maybe? 'Course, at this exact same time, Ray was relunctantly posting about Bell's condition in our sub-forum, but stated quite willingly and without our asking that the vet bills were still coming in and he was in bad straights. We only heard from Ray very rarely when a few of us pushed for more info on how Bell was doing. No wonder Ray almost refused to respond to our inqueries about Bell..........he had alot to hide.
There it is.....done deal. I've not called Ray a liar during this whole fiasco, but I do so now. He clearly stated that he wanted this knife back before making any other purchases, yet he had one on order when he made these statements AND he plainly told Scott that he would see if he could scrape up enough $ to purchase another of his knives on 10/30/11. That's lying in my book..........plain and simple. He also took advantage of gooeytek's good will, as well. This is no less important to me and just as disturbing. He also took advantage of others positive and supportive comments about him and used them to his advantage, with no consideration for those making those comments, either their reputations or feelings. What a stand-up guy you are Ray.
I believe that gooeytek is right.....what goes around. But from your own words early on Ray, you seem to continue to screw up over and over, much more than most people. You made those statements so that others might feel sorry for you and cut you some slack so others might send you $ and you likely received every penny that was sent to you based on your BS and sad stories which as usual, were all lies. You've made your own "happiness" your highest and only priority, but at everybody else's expense....quite literally. You've managed to cause me, gooeytek and perhaps others to distrust what someone says rather than wanting to accept what people say as the truth. You lied throughout this entire mess and every post you made was designed by you to get rid of what you didn't want in order to purchase what you did want. I don't even know if Bell exists.......? And even if she does and was injured, you used your dog to satisfy your own personal needs. For that, you are a lying SOB....plain and simple. Bell and every other animal you have or might own down the road deserves much better than you. Putting your entire reputation on the line for a knife.........really? And then not getting away with it. Great trade off.
You've made your bed, I just hope that you reconsider what has obviously become a life style with you. Lie, cheat, using people and their good nature, playing the pity card, saying that you've changed your ways even though you've likely become even more dishonorable.....all BS tactics exhibited by sociopaths like yourself. Look up the definition..........it exactly defines what you have failed to do, but tried so hard to pull off. Worst part, you will now likely go on to justify your actions to yourself first and then to anybody else that will listen. Those that know you will now know that you're lying as usual and for those that don't know you....well, it shouldn't take them too long to figure you out...............just like we did.
Bill,
Please post up this knife for sale ASAP as you had offered. The knife/sheath is identical to the way I received it from Ray. I'm asking $210, the same exact price I paid for it. I will pay shipping CONUS. I will be unavailable from 11/26/11 - 12/7/11, but if it sells prior to those dates, I will get it in the mail. I expect that you can relieve anyone's concerns over any questions about my honesty in regards to me delivering said knife.....I appreciate that.....thanks.
Thanks to all of you that kept up with this and I hope that in some way, at sometime, these BS turn of events might help to deter the same thing happening to you. I truly enjoy BF, in particular this sub-forum. One bad apple doesn't spoil that feeling, but I must admit, I'll be a bit gun shy for awhile.
I hope this gives you some closure as well, gooeytek. You didn't deserve any of this either. Yep....never met a dog I didn't like. But I just added Ray to the list of humans (loosely speaking) that I wish I'd never met. Oh, that's right.........we never did meet! How stupid was I! That's what you've left me with Ray..............thanks, appreciate it.
** Once again.....I do not in anyway attach any of this BS activity to Scott at Gossman Knives. He is likely a very stand-up guy who had zero knowledge of Ray's penchant for lying and deceiving people. Every knifemaker is in the business to make $, Scott is likely no different. It is not his fault nor due to a lack of his concern about ethics on his part, I'm sure . And for what it's worth....... he does make some beautiful knives. **
I'm out...............
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Just emailed Bill about posting this knife for sale ASAP as he said he'd do for me. Don't know if Bill will post it just here, the main forum or both. Either way is fine with me. Nice of Bill to offer.....I appreciate that. He's done it for several other members who have bought his knives recently and it's nice that a maker will do that.
I will answer all posts or pm's if you prefer. As stated earlier, I will be unavailable from 11/26-12/7.
Thanks!
I will answer all posts or pm's if you prefer. As stated earlier, I will be unavailable from 11/26-12/7.
Thanks!
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