Vertical blade play on sebenza? - Update

[Urban Dweller]

This post actually gave me a bit of a different perspective on things in regards to attacking other members just because of an experience they've had.

Just because we might all have a different take on things doesn't mean it has to get ugly.

I love CRK, but that's no excuse for me to be an a$$

Thanks for the post

I agree completely, it seems to happen all too often in what I've read on other posts regarding CRK knives. It's obvious that CRK owners are very passionate about the product, but in know means does it excuse being nasty. I'm a long time lurker here and finally registered to this great community to gather and SHARE thoughts and information positively with one another. I've read many a posts on all kinds of issues here for all kinds of makers of knives and unfortunately when it comes to CRK, it seems to get very personal. I have a small Sebenza so I used to search the forums to read other peoples experiences etc., I only occasionally seek them out now because of this same thing here in this thread.. It's just not a fun read

 

[kawr]

If he says 'no' does it change anything with those that have had negative experiences?

I mean, it's fairly well known Chris can have a temper and belittles and curses at people from time to time. Is anyone arguing this? Is Chris even denying this?



Yeah, it never seems too long after wolf post that Kawr finds his way to the reply box (well quite a few people really). The problem is when discussion turns to comments with underlying personal attacks (talking both ways):thumbdn:


Just a reminder fellas but there is an ignore feature for those that find others so annoying or 'trollish'.

-sh00ter

Yes and now you are on it. I find it odd someone who has had absolutely zero experience with CRK service or their products continues to post with the frequency that you do in the CRK forums. Not to mention that CRK is probably incredibly busy with Blade and yet you still find it necessary to harass them about this ongoing testing and continue to post in a thread that should be laid to rest until CRK can update it. Come back in a few weeks and give the keyboard a break.

 

[sh00ter01]

Yes and now you are on it. I find it odd someone who has had absolutely zero experience with CRK service or their products continues to post with the frequency that you do in the CRK forums. Not to mention that CRK is probably incredibly busy with Blade and yet you still find it necessary to harass them about this ongoing testing and continue to post in a thread that should be laid to rest until CRK can update it. Come back in a few weeks and give the keyboard a break.

Lol, I wouldn't have expected anything else from you

Guess you wont see it since I've been ignored, but you know nothing of my experience with CRK services or products because I don't openly project them by choice (probably a good thing since CRK seems to be keeping tabs).

In the 'Simple Statement' thread, I just asked for an update since it had been a little while, was reminded Blade was coming up and then agreed it would have to wait till after and that was fine. But NO you're right, I really gave it to them harassing them and demanding results, how dare they put the biggest blade industry expo ahead of a internet thread where they're testing locks...

Your post do nothing to help your cause, whatever that may be, but merely make you look foolish.

-sh00ter

 

[Thirteen13]

How about everyone take a little time to go back and read through the first posts in this thread. To me the moral of the story is DONT BUY USED. However interestingly it seems that CRK worked on all the knives sent in regardless of their owner/condition and some were beyond repair - bad news but when we purchase something used we must accept responsibility. But please everyone stop all the name calling etc. Its confusing and discouraging. There are better things to do with our lives than bash each other on a forum. Take that :grumpy: and turn it

 

[Tripton]

If he says 'no' does it change anything with those that have had negative experiences?

I mean, it's fairly well known Chris can have a temper and belittles and curses at people from time to time. Is anyone arguing this? Is Chris even denying this?



-sh00ter

Depends. Seems stupid to come on here and bitch about the attitude of a guy you never talked to, about knives you don't own, don't plan on buying, and don't have a single lick of experience with.


Judging from some of the postings of the complainers lately, is it that hard to believe that they were (also?) the ones being buttholes on the phone?

Contrary to the trite old saying, the customer is NOT always right.

 

[sh00ter01]

Judging from some of the postings of the complainers lately, is it that hard to believe that they were (also?) the ones being buttholes on the phone?

This is indeed possible, but there have been several guys that have claimed to be cursed out by Chris and and I doubt/would hope they weren't all being assholes on the phone toward CRK.

Contrary to the trite old saying, the customer is NOT always right.

True but even if they're not right, you have to be the bigger man and let it walk; stooping down to belittling and cursing them does nothing but boil the blood on both ends.

-sh00ter

 

[Murdamook]

Depends. Seems stupid to come on here and bitch about the attitude of a guy you never talked to, about knives you don't own, don't plan on buying, and don't have a single lick of experience with.


Judging from some of the postings of the complainers lately, is it that hard to believe that they were (also?) the ones being buttholes on the phone?

Contrary to the trite old saying, the customer is NOT always right.

Did you read my entire post? I never once said that the comments were absolutely true.

"I don't know how accurate the stories are but, providing they are true, someone like Chris should not treat his customers like this."

That was said in my initial post. Perhaps you should read the entire statement before you go on the defensive. I never once stated that Chris Reeve absolutely treats his customers like crap. I simply provided a hypothetical.

 

[Tripton]

Did you read my entire post? I never once said that the comments were absolutely true.

"I don't know how accurate the stories are but, providing they are true, someone like Chris should not treat his customers like this."

That was said in my initial post. Perhaps you should read the entire statement before you go on the defensive. I never once stated that Chris Reeve absolutely treats his customers like crap. I simply provided a hypothetical.

Maybe you should try one of the knives before you start growing opinions from forum-talk.

 

[bladeCraft124]

Maybe you should try one of the knives before you start growing opinions from forum-talk.

This is very true, especially considering that for the couple of complaints we have heard recently there is also about 25 years of praise. Lets keep things in perspective.

 

[Murdamook]

Maybe you should try one of the knives before you start growing opinions from forum-talk.

I never even gave you my opinion of CRK. I simply stated that no one should treat their customers poorly. I never stated whether or not I thought the information given was true. I stated that, if it is true, it is pretty lame. Not once did I say what I heard was truth.

You're attempting to invalidate what I said by trying to counter a statement of mine that I never even made. It seems like you're trying to generate drama.

 

[diracismyhero]

I have been thinking and I think that these "gouges" on the lockbars, that can cause play are caused by gripping the handle and the lockbar hard during heavy use. As one grips the lock bar it gets pushed toward the non-locking side causing the titanium of the lock bar to "scrape" against the steel blade (which is much more wear resistant than the titanium). When this happens the titanium wears down over time causeing the "gouge". Any thoughts on this?

 

[kreole]

I have been thinking and I think that these "gouges" on the lockbars, that can cause play are caused by gripping the handle and the lockbar hard during heavy use. As one grips the lock bar it gets pushed toward the non-locking side causing the titanium of the lock bar to "scrape" against the steel blade (which is much more wear resistant than the titanium). When this happens the titanium wears down over time causeing the "gouge". Any thoughts on this?

I think that wouldn't account for the gouging on the side of the lock bar, only the part on top. But, if you look close, the damage extends down the side all the way to the detent ball

 

[Morrow]

Only warning....stop making other members the topic of conversation. If I see any more, I'll just start handing out infractions and close the thread.

 

[김원진]

i'm curious if any old members , or just people who have had sebenzas since back in the day have experienced any issues with their old/new sebenzas, or is it just these new people

 

[cziv]

i'm curious if any old members , or just people who have had sebenzas since back in the day have experienced any issues with their old/new sebenzas, or is it just these new people

Do you ask because you're trying to nail down a time frame that problematic Sebenzas appear to be coming from? Or, do you think new Sebenza owners aren't operating their folders properly?

I assure you that older members with older Sebenzas were once newer members with no more expertise in the operation of the knife than today's new owners.

The RIL in all of it's forms produced by various companies is a very simple lock to open. I doubt that it's anything to do with newer member's operating skills. Just sayin...

 

[kreole]

i'm curious if any old members , or just people who have had sebenzas since back in the day have experienced any issues with their old/new sebenzas, or is it just these new people

Pretty much the same pair of threads we've had on this topic but from 2001
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/128546-Sebenza-Lock-No-Longer-Vault-Like
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/128519-Damage-to-the-Sebenza-warranty

Can't say I blame CRK for not wanting to bother replying to each thread on this subject, considering it goes back over a decade

 

[Haze]

It's hard to say for sure, but I feel it could well be the customer base and the expectations of those people that is changing rather than the knives.

Do you ask because you're trying to nail down a time frame that problematic Sebenzas appear to be coming from? Or, do you think new Sebenza owners aren't operating their folders properly?

I assure you that older members with older Sebenzas were once newer members with no more expertise in the operation of the knife than today's new owners.

The RIL in all of it's forms produced by various companies is a very simple lock to open. I doubt that it's anything to do with newer member's operating skills. Just sayin...

 

[kreole]

It's hard to say for sure, but I feel it could well be the customer base and the expectations of those people that is changing rather than the knives.

Read the threads linked to above your post. I think you'll be surprised how much things haven't changed

Actually the average words per post must've gone down significantly. A lot of the posts there are huge compared to the ones now

 

[cziv]

It's hard to say for sure, but I feel it could well be the customer base and the expectations of those people that is changing rather than the knives.

Oh yes, I agree 100% Haze, I was attempting to write that objectively.

 

[cofade2black]

do you use the fluorinated grease, or just regular oil? the reason I ask this is that Chris reeves knives are so strong in tolerance that oils don't have the same protection and could ware out the pivot and lock bar. this could cause the blade play. when people grease, many of them don't grease the tang or the ball on the lock bar. the tang gets the greatest of all tension.