Alternate runs of CRKT Pilar (S35VN exclusive)

Completely disagree to Nick's views.In reality a several hundred dollar can be every bit as capable in disappointing as a $20 knife.


Yeah but as a composite Carbon Fiber can still flex without steel liners under it just like G-10 and Zytel.Some people may not like the 'thought' of injection molded Zytel scales.I'll tell you though buzz that fabric texture on it...much easier to take off your pocket than real G-10.Hard to ignore those old CRKT's like the Marzitelli Prowler and Crawford Falcon.

Thicker synthetic washers do lead to more durability.That's what the old USA made REKAT's used and I don't see people shying away from acquiring them.I'll give you a good example of 'washer dissapointment'...a $330 MF1 by Extrema Ratio.Thin nylon washers that looked semi deformed in assembly like a cheap $15 Smith & Wesson knife.The MF1 is an awesome knife...but disappointment obviously doesn't wear a dollar tag.

But disappointment should be based on expectations for the cost. I don't know why you'd hold a cheap knife to the same standards as an expensive one, and he doesn't in his reviews. He just points out things he notices, but you'll note that he might still recommend imperfect but inexpensive knives as "gems" despite having flaws that would be significant critiques on expensive blades. Blade centering and poor construction is acceptable on a $20 Kershaw but not on an Olamic Wayfarer, etc. Rrgardless, you still want everything to be mentioned on a review so you can make that value calculation for yourself.

Anything can flex. My point is that CFRP is significantly stiffer than other commonly used composites like fiberglass and canvas micarta, and used properly may not even require steel for additional stiffness. You would probably prefer a linerless CFRP show side scale opposite a ti frame rather than G10, because the CFRP scale is going to be 3-4 times stiffer. Again, at ~ 12 msi flexural modulus in weave form, it's more stiff than aluminum, which works excellently for knife handles. It's all about designing smart, rather than just throwing carbon fiber around wantonly.

The thicker synthetic washers would be harder to rip and deform, yes.
 
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So, they are available now... anyone bite on it? Curious to see a couple testimonials on overall quality, etc. If it is half decent, I will most likely grab one. I like the overall design, size, blade shape... just skeptical when it comes to CRKT.
 
I have the previous limited run they did in Sandvik steel and cf scale. It's quite nice. Solid lockup, good centering and firm detent. I like the ergos and blade shape. It carries well in my preferred tip-up.
It would have been better IMO if they had made a change to the scale material to distinguish this run from the Sandvik run. On the Sandvik run, the steel isn't even etched on the blade. If this one isn't etched than they would be visually identical.
I also think the price is pushing the limit in terms of value.
 
I have the previous limited run they did in Sandvik steel and cf scale. It's quite nice. Solid lockup, good centering and firm detent. I like the ergos and blade shape. It carries well in my preferred tip-up.
It would have been better IMO if they had made a change to the scale material to distinguish this run from the Sandvik run. On the Sandvik run, the steel isn't even etched on the blade. If this one isn't etched than they would be visually identical.
I also think the price is pushing the limit in terms of value.
Based on BHQ's pics, I am not seeing the steel etched...
 
So, they are available now... anyone bite on it? Curious to see a couple testimonials on overall quality, etc. If it is half decent, I will most likely grab one. I like the overall design, size, blade shape... just skeptical when it comes to CRKT.
I bought the original a few weeks ago and was impressed with it. My expectations were suitably low given the price and what I had read about it. I have carried it a bit and liked the ergonomics and feel of it. What I wished for was better steel, thinner blade and lighter weight (basically better materials), so I ordered it in S35VN today.
 
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I bought the original a few weeks ago and was impressed with it. My expectations were suitably low given the price and what I had read about it. I have carried it a bit and liked the ergonomics and feel of it. What I wished for was better steel, thinner blade and lighter weight (basically better materials), so I ordered the it in S35VN today.
Keep us posted! Especially curious about the heat treat / edge holding...
 
ffs, I was trying to be more careful with my $... now this, I simply can't refuse s35vn and copper scales on this... geez
completely blowing the non-existent copper natrix off my list (which was already happening for other reasons), but this seals it

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For some reason, it did not occur to me that the Copper Natrix was a contender in this size category. But it is, isnt it?
 
I got mine yesterday and I am not pleased with it so far. The regular Pilar I bought was surprisingly smooth out of the box, and I haven't even disassembled it and lubed it as I normally do. On the S35VN, the action is stiff and it feels like the detent ball is sharp, like it is digging into the blade. I took it apart, cleaned it and lubed it with Nano oil, and not much has improved. Even with blue Loctite the pivot keeps coming loose. I am surprised at how tightly I have to crank down the pivot screw to eliminate blade play.

I'm going to experiment by swapping out parts between the two knives, and maybe rub the detent ball with a little 1000 grit sand paper, maybe that will help. I am sure with a little time and effort I can get it right.

It is odd that the steel type is not etched on the blade, but it is sharp and S35VN is a great steel, so I don't think I will be disappointed with that part.

EDIT: After sanding some edges/burrs, and a little more work, the action is much better.
 
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Received mine this morning, I wasn't going to buy one, but I was tracking how fast the inventory was going (very quickly) and saw they were going to be OOS within a very short time. So I grabbed one, wanted a Pilar anyhow...

On to my thoughts..

Action is tight/slightly gritty not for lacking lube which was running out onto the blade. Lockup/centering is good, fit & finish is OK, except the back spacer which appears to be poorly cast. Not huge deal, if someone makes a nice replacement I'll grab one, if not I'll probably make one.

Not an expert on carbon fiber, but the cf scale looks to be solid cf, inside of scale matches outside, feels/sounds like cf, patterns on edges seem to match.

No indication of blade steel anywhere on knife (model # of box/knife do ID it), Teflon washers which I'm sure contribute to the gritty tight action, would have been nice to see bronze here!

Blade grind is pretty symmetrical and seems well done, fairly sharp.

I've not done anything yet to test the quality of blade steel. Overall fairly happy with the knife at this point, and once I replace the crappy cast back spacer, and maybe add some bronze washers should be pretty nice.


compared to Ruike's cheap laminated cf
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Back spacer, inside shot black shadow = gap in edge
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Ugly Teflon
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Received mine this morning, I wasn't going to buy one, but I was tracking how fast the inventory was going (very quickly) and saw they were going to be OOS within a very short time. So I grabbed one, wanted a Pilar anyhow...

On to my thoughts..

Action is tight/slightly gritty not for lacking lube which was running out onto the blade. Lockup/centering is good, fit & finish is OK, except the back spacer which appears to be poorly cast. Not huge deal, if someone makes a nice replacement I'll grab one, if not I'll probably make one.

Not an expert on carbon fiber, but the cf scale looks to be solid cf, inside of scale matches outside, feels/sounds like cf, patterns on edges seem to match.

No indication of blade steel anywhere on knife (model # of box/knife do ID it), Teflon washers which I'm sure contribute to the gritty tight action, would have been nice to see bronze here!

Blade grind is pretty symmetrical and seems well done, fairly sharp.

I've not done anything yet to test the quality of blade steel. Overall fairly happy with the knife at this point, and once I replace the crappy cast back spacer, and maybe add some bronze washers should be pretty nice.


compared to Ruike's cheap laminated cf
NAEjVs8.jpg


3Z5egdX.jpg


XgTnANY.jpg


Back spacer, inside shot black shadow = gap in edge
BaKqTMp.jpg

6XZcOO5.jpg


Ugly Teflon
dWKC5HP.jpg


nIcRD5v.jpg

HkSF9HR.jpg
Its g10 with cf layer on the top and bottom for show.
 
Chiming in late. Like others, my S35VN version is not as smooth in the pivot as the 8Cr knife. But it's fine. I'm not having the detent ball issue somebody mentioned above. Fit and finish are not great, but are fine for a $70 knife with S35VN. The design is quite good. This is a little big knife. Short blade and handle by fills the hand well. Finger choil looks large and is very functional. I use it most of the time. This knife carrys well. The original version is heavier than I would like. EDIT: Carries well BUT really could use a deep carry clip. The clip works, but too much knife is exposed for my liking.

I did some edge retention testing ala Cedric & Ada (rope cuts). The retention on this edge seems right in line with what I'd expect for S35VN. So from that perspective the steel seems good.

My edge grind was terrible. One side was 18 degrees. The other varied from 22 degrees at tip to 16 degrees at the back. I cleaned it up but din't want to remove the amount of steel it would take to get an even bevel on both sides. It's fine and likely only noticeable by me. If I keep this one I'll upgrade the washers. Likely gifting it.
 
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The S35VN models are creeping up in price on the secondary market.

One YouTube review I saw mentioned another run is likely based on a "trusted source". I emailed BHQ today to ask about a future run, but they could not provide any information (as expected). Anyone hear any other rumors?

I'd really like to pick up an S35VN, but not at $100+.
 
Guys don't fall for it

Paying more for this knife isn't worth it. I mean it's not even worth it for the price they go for anyways when compared to other knives in its price range.
 
Looks like a flipper version is coming in 2019. All steel (8cr14mov), g10 (8cr14mov) and "all blacked out" (d2). I guess CRKT really doesn't want to stray from their model.

I will say I picked up an OG Pilar last week, and it definitely exceeds my expectations for $23. I am a little thankful I didn't splurge $100+ for S35VN.
 
The best deal I have seen for an S35VN knife, which in personal opinion looks better than the CRKT Pilar, is the second generation of the LA Police Gear TBFK model, see following video. It has lot to offer for a budget knife.

 
I have the 14c28n version and it was well worth the price. It's a well put together knife. Only complaint is that it's ground too thick.
 
Guys don't fall for it

Paying more for this knife isn't worth it. I mean it's not even worth it for the price they go for anyways when compared to other knives in its price range.
Lolol 125 that's insane for that. Don't fall for this guys.

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For 125 you can buy a massdrop falcon which is made by we knives. With titanium instead of steel. And better qc than crkt junk.

Not to mention the vast majority of better knives than either of those two in the 125$ range.

Its not worth it.
 
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