Anybody ELSE just sick unto DEATH of carbon fiber scales?

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Expensive brown plastic the color of shirt. And because it is so strong, it can do it's job with much thinner pieces, the color of carp, than the older materials it replaced.

So now, I have really expensive knives that literally look like shirt, and are much thinner than the knives I bought 25 years ago.

Really THIN knives are hard to hold onto, while you are using them. And most, but not quite all scales made of carp colored carbon fiber are completely SMOOTH. So if you get the knife even a little wet, or if it is hot, and your hands perspire, the expensive THIN shirt colored knife becomes even harder to use. If you aren't careful, your hand will SLIP on your expensively acquired carp colored knife, and you will CUT your hand. Badly. If your luck is poor.

Way back when, before shirt colored scales inexplicably became so widespread on expensive knives, high end knives, and even some relatively inexpensive knives used another material for their scales.

Micarta.

Micarta is very old thermo plastic still in widespread use today] mostly as heavy duty electrical insulators. It is made in layers, much like fiberglass is made. Micarta is always made in layers, usually with cloth, paper, canvas, woven and unwoven glass fibers, and many other materials.

For nice knives, the layers of Micarta were often built up using layers of linen, as it gave the Micarta a very visually pleasing surface pattern, and gave the Micarta a fine texture that enhanced the grip, when it gets wet.

I have seen 'white linen Micarta' that looks JUST like finest ivory, It takes a very close examination, to find that is a made made material.

Micarta can be made in just about every color known to man, while carbon fiber scales ONLY are made in that very unattractive brown and darker brown color. I say: bring back Micarta, in its almost infinite variety of colors AND textures.
 
There is still hope for CF.

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I carry a Carbon Fiber Spyderco Military in 52100 steel everyday. The Carbon Fiber scales are the same thickness as the regular Military it's just lighter.

The Grip of carbon fiber is also much better than G10 especially when wet and overall feels warmer in the hand and has better dry grip. If you polish Carbon Fiber it will be just like any other material that has been polished... it will be slick.
 
Yea all that "brown" carbon fiber 😳 Ive never heard micarta referred to as thermo plastic. You have an interesting take on things. Thanks for sharing.
 
Also questioning the claim that carbon fiber is brown. I have two knives that both have carbon fiber scales one fixed and one folder both have plenty of thickness for their intended task and look great. Also there are a few different patterns of carbon fiber.
 
I'm confused on OP's post.

But yea, I never got the carbon fiber thing. I think it looks good on sports car dash board (well, not really) but not so much on knives.

I owned Gayle Bradley that had carbon fiber scales but I never thought of it really that attractive knife material wise.

Ah well, apples and oranges.
 
First off carbon fibre is grey/black. Secondly they have peel ply CF which is not smooth.
 
I have one knife with carbon fiber handles. They are black with silvery highlights that make it look overall like a dark slate gray. While it doesn't have a lot of surface texture, it is not smooth and does not feel slippery, and the handles are shaped and contoured to provide adequate grip. I like it quite a lot and am not sick of it. It makes a relatively large knife very light and flat and easy to carry.

If you like Micarta for knife handles, check out Great Eastern Cutlery. They use it on some of their traditional pattern knives.
 
Is today's Micarta really a "thermo plastic"?

Original micarta was cured under high pressure and high temperature but similar results can be achieved just by using modern epoxy-soaked fabric left to cure on a bench overnight.
 
Yea all that "brown" carbon fiber 😳 Ive never heard micarta referred to as thermo plastic. You have an interesting take on things. Thanks for sharing.

You've never heard it called a thermoplastic because it isn't.

It's a composite material just like CF. Layers of "structure" bonded with an assortment of epoxies/resins. The word "thermoplastic" simply means a plastic that becomes soft with heat.....like kydex. Micarta isn't even close to being a thermoplastic, mainly because it is thermally stable.


I can't really make sense of the OPs post. I've never seen "brown" carbon fiber.
 
Expensive brown plastic the color of shirt. And because it is so strong, it can do it's job with much thinner pieces, the color of carp, than the older materials it replaced.

So now, I have really expensive knives that literally look like shirt, and are much thinner than the knives I bought 25 years ago.

Really THIN knives are hard to hold onto, while you are using them. And most, but not quite all scales made of carp colored carbon fiber are completely SMOOTH. So if you get the knife even a little wet, or if it is hot, and your hands perspire, the expensive THIN shirt colored knife becomes even harder to use. If you aren't careful, your hand will SLIP on your expensively acquired carp colored knife, and you will CUT your hand. Badly. If your luck is poor.

Way back when, before shirt colored scales inexplicably became so widespread on expensive knives, high end knives, and even some relatively inexpensive knives used another material for their scales.

Micarta.

Micarta is very old thermo plastic still in widespread use today] mostly as heavy duty electrical insulators. It is made in layers, much like fiberglass is made. Micarta is always made in layers, usually with cloth, paper, canvas, woven and unwoven glass fibers, and many other materials.

For nice knives, the layers of Micarta were often built up using layers of linen, as it gave the Micarta a very visually pleasing surface pattern, and gave the Micarta a fine texture that enhanced the grip, when it gets wet.

I have seen 'white linen Micarta' that looks JUST like finest ivory, It takes a very close examination, to find that is a made made material.

Micarta can be made in just about every color known to man, while carbon fiber scales ONLY are made in that very unattractive brown and darker brown color. I say: bring back Micarta, in its almost infinite variety of colors AND textures.

Thinly veiled bad language is still bad language and is in poor taste, serving no place in an honest rational discourse. It just stirs the pot. There are other parts of the forum for this behavior :thumbup:

That said, I don't mind CF but would much rather have g10 or Micarta.
 
I'm confused on OP's post.

But yea, I never got the carbon fiber thing. I think it looks good on sports car dash board (well, not really) but not so much on knives.

I owned Gayle Bradley that had carbon fiber scales but I never thought of it really that attractive knife material wise.

Ah well, apples and oranges.

The gayle bradley is a terrible example of CF, because it's a VERY thin layer of CF bonded with a G10 scale.

I have never seen/felt a real carbon fiber scale be anything close to what the gayle bradley has. It's a terrible example, seriously. I'd get a knife that has real through-and-through CF before condemning the material itself.
 
If a handle isndesigned properly then even with relatively slick carbon fibre scales it will not slip out your hand.
 
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I don't see the "brown" ?
Me neither. Also, the OP may have meant thermoset?

[Thermoset, or thermosetting, plastics are synthetic materials that strengthen during being heated, but cannot be successfully remolded or reheated after their initial heat-forming. This is in contrast to thermoplastics, which soften when heated and harden and strengthen after cooling.]



Now, this is brown carp:
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kinda pretty, I think.
 
My only thought is, when it comes to knives, if you don't like it don't buy it. If you like the knife, more than likely you can can change the parts you don't like. The is a French maker using micarta and different materials inside such as Scottish plaid, record parts and more. There is enough variety out there to not get "sick" of something, there is always another choice. I have rough G10 and micarta, as well as smooth G10 and micarta.
There are other issues concerning the knife maarket before I start worrying about handle materials.:)
 
I like CF, a lot. Light, strong, smooth yet grippy.
Yes, on different colors.
rolf
 
I like carbon fiber, its that standard black g10 like on the emersons is what I want to see disappear...
 
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