Axis lock a gravity knife?

[tom19176]

Mal2, yes in the last 10 or so years, there have been several thousand cases of knife arrest were the sole charge was that of CPW 4 ( simple possession of a gravity knife or other weapon). This mostly occurs in Manhattan and Queens, and all over the city in the transit system. If you read all my post in this thread and other sections, I have stated many times that a simple knife arrest would never had been allowed before, but now it is not only allowed but it is encouraged. Construction workers with exposed knife clips are stopped on their way home, and if the knife flicks and locks, they are arrested.
I am no longer a city employee, but I met a friend at the station house to go out, and there were two tool belts behind the front desk. I asked what happened, was there a fight between two workers, to which he responded no, just two guys with gravity knives.....Neither had a prior arrest record. I was at the Dick's Sporting goods store in Nassau County two weeks ago, and there was a very mad customer telling the clerk at the gun counter that he was arrested the day before for a locking folder he had on him in the city that he bought in that store....Get the idea?

 

[Mal2]

That pretty much explains it to me Tom; thanks. The law passes the case law test as well as the NYPD's interpretation with those examples. I suppose any flickable knife has to be lockable and if any flickable knife is a gravity knife by inference any lockable is a gravity.

I have been guilty in NYC on several occasions and will amend my wayward ways. I will continue to take my chances outside the city but with the hair standing up on the back of my neck. I don't have to like it but I believe I now understand it.

 

[N4SIR]

i never once said i wanted to nuke ANY people just a crappy neighborhood... and if the first thing (reggie) you think is the race card... maybe YOU have the problem its ok i know wtf i do for a living...just think its pretty funny that a 1 post troll gets more respect than a police officer but then again thats how it is on the streets so why would it be any diff... time and time and time again on this thread i stated how i didnt agree with the laws .. how about i call reggie a liar and a fraud because thats what he is.. 10 days after the last post and his perfect wall of text.. and its my right to say so.... im done posting on these forums.. too many cop haters and people looking to start off topic crap best part is the mods call ME on trolling...

 

[KnifeKnut66]

i never once said i wanted to nuke ANY people just a crappy neighborhood... and if the first thing (reggie) you think is the race card... maybe YOU have the problem its ok i know wtf i do for a living...just think its pretty funny that a 1 post troll gets more respect than a police officer but then again thats how it is on the streets so why would it be any diff... time and time and time again on this thread i stated how i didnt agree with the laws .. how about i call reggie a liar and a fraud because thats what he is.. 10 days after the last post and his perfect wall of text.. and its my right to say so.... im done posting on these forums.. too many cop haters and people looking to start off topic crap best part is the mods call ME on trolling...

Bye Bye

 

[Esav Benyamin]

We have a rule on Bladeforums that says we discuss he topic, not each other. Once members decide to psychoanalyze complete strangers, the entire discussion can fall apart, because it becomes a personal vendetta that others can join in on.

Not a good idea. Criticize a point of view, don't characterize the person who expressed it.

Another real good idea is to stop and read what you've written before you hit Post Reply. Posting in anger does not enlighten us, it embitters the discussion, and generally ends any chance of further learning.

Moderators have tools to see some background information on members. In this case, ReggieK2's information was very different from the assumptions made about him. We have a lot of people who never post. Then one day something sets them off. At least he wrote like the educated gentleman he is.

There is no need to put each other down. But if you use overheated terminology, you have to expect to be called on it.

 

[N4SIR]

We have a rule on Bladeforums that says we discuss he topic, not each other.

There is no need to put each other down. But if you use overheated terminology, you have to expect to be called on it.

then what would this be under that statement?

"They should tactically nuke the entire area and start all over again..." Is no one else disturbed by this kind of talk? We talk about nuking the inner cities and we use coded language to avoid saying aloud that they are populated by Blacks, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and other newer ethnic aliens. I am just shocked to find such simplistic, disguised and seemingly bigoted comments in this knife forum. We can not know who may be a member. ReggieK

let me guess he ISNT talking about ME and it isnt overheated and he shouldnt be called on it?


It is ridiculous that i have to repeat myself this many times.. Never did i say ANYTHING about ANY race..I merely mentioned how a debilitated area should be taken down and started over (not with the people in it) Maybe if Reggie didnt assume things or take things personal and then make statements like the ones above ..

Actually i have worked with and for the NYPD's community Affairs division many times helping the neighborhoods set up gardens and memorials for people who have fallen victim to crime in the neighborhood. I walked right next to Rev Al Sharpton during the Sean Bell protests..Even he thinks that Brooklyn needs to start over... and thats what i meant start over not kill all the black people and to assume such a thing says alot about Reggie and his own personal racial issues.... Esay how about you read this from MY point of view and try to be objective?


I don't even know why i am bothering since it seems you have already made up your mind and chosen a side in the matter.. It is personally offended and disgusting that anyone here would think that i have any racial issues...I met my wife (the mother of my son) working here in Brooklyn and not that any of you strangers on the internet need to know shes not italian or irish... shes peruvian and hatian... I cannot believe i have to defend myself to this forum after time and time again trying to help out with nyc laws and all the good times i had here.... i am sick to my stomach... the sad thing is i have said that many times to the drug dealers on the corners late at night on patrol and the shopkeeps in jest and they wholeheartedly AGREED and laughed ....

 

[Esav Benyamin]

"to assume such a thing says alot about Reggie and his own personal racial issues"

Once again, you're discussing Reggie, not his statements, not his ideas. There is a difference, and it determines the level of courtesy of the overall discussion. You know nothing about Reggie. You don't even know what part of the country he's in.

 

[N4SIR]

"to assume such a thing says alot about Reggie and his own personal racial issues"

Once again, you're discussing Reggie, not his statements, not his ideas. There is a difference, and it determines the level of courtesy of the overall discussion. You know nothing about Reggie. You don't even know what part of the country he's in.

I am talking about statements of racism and bigotry pointed at ME.....its kinda hard not to mention the person who is making the statements..and you vehemently defending this person makes me wonder.......

 

[N4SIR]

sad thing is that it is said there all the time... i have had drug dealers and shokeeps in brooklyn say it to me and lol... its just an understood thing about the area and how bad it is... obviously no one wants to nuke people.. just level the area and start fresh.. i think people with preconceived notions or racial agendas will make a different assumptions which will always be dangerous...

i said this in a previous forum pretty much sums it up.

Its ok .. im used to Racism .. I am an irish german cop with a shaved head and tattoos married to a beautiful south american hatian woman with a mixed race son...I get enough dirty looks .. just thought my friends here in the forums were a little above it...

 

[TOM1960]

i said this in a previous forum pretty much sums it up.

Its ok .. im used to Racism .. I am an irish german cop with a shaved head and tattoos married to a beautiful south american hatian woman with a mixed race son...I get enough dirty looks .. just thought my friends here in the forums were a little above it...

Well, I am of French-Canadian descent myself (both sets of grandparents came from Quebec) and I have a Portuguese-American girlfriend. Plenty of scars on my hide but no tattoos!
Anyhow, if you are a good cop who does the right thing (your posts seem to indicate that you do), it is all that really matters. When an officer is pro-gun, pro-knife and anti-criminal, he/she is OK in my books. We all have enough enemies in the liberal camp. Us knife enthusiasts have to stick together.

 

[N4SIR]

unfortunately in this world of zero attention spans you 're only as good as your last post.. since most people only read up one and almost never the entire thread so much of the meaning (or intentions) are lost....shame really..

 

[2Dead]

In furfmonkey's defense, the knife laws it looks like he is posting is from one of the first hits you find when googling "nyc knife laws" and the "Note" under the definition of gravity knife is included there and not likely his own words. Link below.
http://knife-expert.com/ny.txt
I'm sure the guy who put this site together put that line in there to help normal citizens and to keep them from possibly getting into trouble, not because he believes them to be gravity knives. I also don't see furfmonkey saying that this is the correct definition of a gravity knife, just pointing out that you can get in trouble for having a knife and that others see it happen too. I really doubt he wants any of us to be included in the thousands of people tom19176 mentions. And knowing how the laws are applied in practice, as he and tom have first hand knowledge, should definitely be appreciated.

As for the thread topic, the mini-grip that I had could swing open and lock with a simple flick of the wrist when loose. You can tighten it up but you may still get into trouble if found with it in NYC and possibly other areas of NY state.

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

don't be too quick to fall into the logic - we have strict laws because we have high crime. people used to believe the sun went around the Earth because they saw it happen day in and day out. it's quite possible that the exact opposite is true - you have high crime because you have strict laws

There are just too damn many laws in New York (as well as other NorthEastern states) which result in turning honest citizens into criminals. Many things which are perfectly legal for most free Americans to do are criminal acts in NY, and a few of these non-crimes are actually treated as felonies.

NYC and Albany have been cesspools of corruption since the 1800s. There is a very distinct class structure in place there. If you are wealthy or well connected, these laws simply do not apply to you. They are to keep the masses in their place.

New York police are empowered to do whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want. If they lie in court their word will always be taken over that of a defendant. I have seen police in NY do things that citizens in other states wouldn't even believe, and the courts aren't much better. Some areas of NY are a Police State in the literal sense of the word. I've interacted with police in many other states and none of them have shown such wanton disregard for Constitutional rights as those in NY. But you cannot blame the individual policeman for that. The policeman is simply a pawn in the System and he acts according to the wishes of those in power.

My advice to anyone living in NY? Move. I'm not saying that lightly or making a joke. Albany is rotten to the core and things have gotten a lot worse over the past 10 years, but the worst is yet to come. It certainly isn't going to get any better, and that's a fact. NY is in a downward spiral into the septic tank.

 

[HeavyHanded]

I've tried with a couple of Axis locks to tighten the pivot pin down hard enough that it prevents a wrist flick opening, even without holding the bar back. I wasn't able unless the pivot was so tight I could barely open it with my thumb. Since in NY (at least Manhattan and boroughs) a gravity knife is defined by function and not intended design or historical pedigree, I'd say absolutely that an Axis qualifies as one. In fact, NYs penal code wording re gravity knives is so similar to many other states that I'm surprised no other states have taken a shot at it along with the ARC lock and few other copycats.

My advice to anyone living in NY? Move. I'm not saying that lightly or making a joke. Albany is rotten to the core and things have gotten a lot worse over the past 10 years, but the worst is yet to come. It certainly isn't going to get any better, and that's a fact. NY is in a downward spiral into the septic tank.

Have to say I've come to agree w/you more and more on this point. Just need the economy to rebound a little so I can find a job elsewhere and I'm gone.

 

[N4SIR]

The policeman is simply a pawn in the System and he acts according to the wishes of those in power.

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very true... i neither enjoy look forward to a large part of my job.. i joined hoping to help the helpless and protect society.. and in the end im a ticket writer and slave to the machine.. thats why this is my last year as a NYC cop im moving to FL in june... i am getting out before i end up dead or the stress gets to me.. let other people get called those things...

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

Have to say I've come to agree w/you more and more on this point. Just need the economy to rebound a little so I can find a job elsewhere and I'm gone.

Statistics show that over the past few years there has been a massive exodus from New York and Illinois. They are the 2 states which have lost the highest number of citizens. Excessive taxes and paternalistic punitive laws convinced a lot of folks to leave the state they grew up in. Treat the citizens like subjects and they will abandon your state and you will lose that tax revenue.

I hope NY is the next state to go bankrupt. :thumbdn:

 

[N4SIR]

the taxes and cost of living in ny are outrageous .. for what im paying now for where i live 2,000 a month i can get a bigger place with acres in FL for like 1,000 a month and 1/4 the taxes... a 1 room apt in manhattan starts at 1800 a month and i live on the island like almost 2 hr drive each way each day to work

 

[jake5775]

From all the bad stuff i have heard about NY, it must suck.

 

[zyjabc]

good~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[nijaro77]

Im a cop in NYPD and honestly we will use ANY knife clipped to your pants as an excuse for a stop question and frisk... most of the times we think the person might be wanted etc its not usually used (at least by me) to mess with people honestly any knife not on an exposed holster is a concealed weapon and an easy ticket for a rookie cop

we use it the same way we pull over for tinted windows or loud exhaust or not making a full stop... not really stopping for that just using that as a way to question and possibly have you incriminate yourself or find something on you

again cops can use this to be a jerk or only use it to get criminals off the street its up to the cops morals

Hey furf, does a Leatherman tool constitute a ticket in NYC as well? I'm a pro musician who works in the city quite a bit and I always have a Leatherman Wave (clipped in my right rear pocket) and a small flashlight (clipped in my left rear pocket)....I play keyboards and I always have to tweak my gear on the gigs, and my Leatherman comes in handy pretty much every day.
Been working in the city for over 15 years and never had a problem, but it seems the new crackdown has left very little room for interpretation.
My Leatherman Wave does have two sub-3 inch blades on it, but by name, designation and function, the Leatherman is technically considered a "tool" not a "knife".
Very interested in your opinion on this.