Best handle for Reverse (Fighting) Grip?

I just thought I’d mention it considering the previous comments about drawing early. How early is too early? One could argue anything inside 21foot is LATE! ;)

ETA the distance changes based on you!
 
StealthCaliber said:
does it have to be a busse? they do make alot of reverse grip knives out there, that aren't karambit blades.
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Well of course there are other options. I primarily edc a Busse and mainly plan on using it as a tool. Since my edc is a Busse that's why I asked specifically about them.
 
hydeinmind said:
So, allow me to open this discussion wide open! :D Who here believes in the 21foot rule? Means two completely different things for you depending on which one your holding! ;)

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My thoughts on the 21’ rule.

I’ve spent years of my life in the Marines training in armed, unarmed and bladed weapons. I feel the biggest misconception of the 21’ rule is the assumption that if you are coming at me with a knife that I will remain stationary while attempting to deploy my CCW weapon, for me that is totally not the case.

Don’t get me wrong, knives are extremely dangerous, the more so the closer your proximity to me. I carry a folder and my smaller sus on my CC rig. I feel that a knife serves more of a purpose if you are already within my personal sphere of influence (around arms length), you already have hands on me, or as a deterrent if I feel something is off.

Your reaction is what is important. Putting distance is the first step, placing obstacles between you and your assailant, be aware of your surroundings. Carry with one in the chamber and practice firing positions that allow for the fastest acquisition of targets.

Movement is key in attack. You are either moving away from the assailant, moving towards the assailant, or moving to cover. You should only stop moving if the threat is neutralized or you are dead
 
Thanks Adian. Some great points. Also, when carrying a pistol, there is always the escalation of force concept. Ya' just don't yank it out and shoot at the first sign of anxiety. Movin' on here. Other places to be. Take care, guys. Some good info here.
 
Thanks to both Adian and tuica – you both raise some good points. 21 feet is terribly close in an attack – from a dead stop I can cover 21' in 2 seconds. The average person with little/no training likely would not be able to deploy a gun or knife in 2 seconds to stop an attack. Add in factors like:
- time to recognize an attack is actually happening (see below), and
- unless you disable the attacker, the attack could continue for several seconds or more, even if you wound the attacker and they die later.
You could be killed or severely injured in several seconds or less.

Here is an incident that happened to me years ago, before I had a concealed carry permit. I was unloading groceries from a shopping cart into my car; it was dark and the parking lot lighting was not very good. I noticed a guy walking toward me with a weird look on his face. I was ready to pull a knife but fortunately did not. Without saying a word during the whole time, when he reached me he took the shopping cart (I had finished unloading the groceries) – apparently he was a grocery store employee, even though in the relatively dim light I did not see any hat or clothing that identified him as an employee. Thank God for two things:
- I kept my cool and did not pull the knife, and
- he was a store employee and did not intend me any harm!
 
gk4ever2 said:
Thanks to both Adian and tuica – you both raise some good points. 21 feet is terribly close in an attack – from a dead stop I can cover 21' in 2 seconds. The average person with little/no training likely would not be able to deploy a gun or knife in 2 seconds to stop an attack. Add in factors like:
- time to recognize an attack is actually happening (see below), and
- unless you disable the attacker, the attack could continue for several seconds or more, even if you wound the attacker and they die later.
You could be killed or severely injured in several seconds or less.

Here is an incident that happened to me years ago, before I had a concealed carry permit. I was unloading groceries from a shopping cart into my car; it was dark and the parking lot lighting was not very good. I noticed a guy walking toward me with a weird look on his face. I was ready to pull a knife but fortunately did not. Without saying a word during the whole time, when he reached me he took the shopping cart (I had finished unloading the groceries) – apparently he was a grocery store employee, even though in the relatively dim light I did not see any hat or clothing that identified him as an employee. Thank God for two things:
- I kept my cool and did not pull the knife, and
- he was a store employee and did not intend me any harm!
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True, but also if I see you running at me I’m gonna be moving right away because you are either running from danger or have intent to cause me harm. But it is hard to be that aware all of the time.

On another note, I know guys who are very fast on the draw and have been able to draw and fire from the hip, accurately, before the 21’ could be covered. But it’s a close thing no matter how you dice it. A fraction faster, a fraction slower changes everything. My only advice is to train. Train drawing your weapons from how you have them staged on your body. But I also don’t suggest walking around with a weapon that could make you a target for someone who has something to prove
 
Unfortunately, its illegal to conceal a fixed in my state...
 
Adian said:
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On another note, I know guys who are very fast on the draw and have been able to draw and fire from the hip, accurately, before the 21’ could be covered. ... My only advice is to train. Train drawing your weapons from how you have them staged on your body. ...
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I agree – practice/training are very important. By saying "average person with little/no training" above, I was referring to a fairly new shooter that maybe has a concealed carry permit but has not trained beyond that. I shot in IPSC matches years ago – the fastest I ever had to shoot was: draw, fire 6 shots, reload and fire 6 more shots, all in just 8 seconds! It was fast but not impossible. Even though it has been many years since my IPSC days, I feel confident in being able to draw and fire in 1 second or less.
 
gk4ever2 said:
I agree – practice/training are very important. By saying "average person with little/no training" above, I was referring to a fairly new shooter that maybe has a concealed carry permit but has not trained beyond that. I shot in IPSC matches years ago – the fastest I ever had to shoot was: draw, fire 6 shots, reload and fire 6 more shots, all in just 8 seconds! It was fast but not impossible. Even though it has been many years since my IPSC days, I feel confident in being able to draw and fire in 1 second or less.
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Especially if you can train and fire accurately from the hip to give you some breathing room
 
Charlie Mike said:
Yup! Even more difficult drawing a firearm from concealment to a shot in center mass given the time I can close distance.
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People like CM are the reason I carry a boar spear, an HK, a spiked flail, fixed blade and spotlight. My son's double stroller does double duty as an equipment hauler.....I ran out out of EDC pocket room and needed something.

It's amazing how many mags I can stack on the little rack under their seats....a wicked edge sharpener and power inverter for spotlight goes nicely as well. My spear slides right through the hole in bottom of the cup holders too as a nice rack. Sometimes I get looks at the zoo with the kids...IDK. The problem came after I spray painted the stroller camo, bolted on AR500 plate steel and that's when my wife said I went overboard.....

But seriously though, CM is one of the good guys and I'm all for the good guys being well armed or edged out.
 
clampdaddy said:
I am by no means the tactical knife fighting type but of all the blades I have the one that stands out to me as having the right balance and ergos to effortlessly switch from a forward to reverse grip is the Boss Jack. ...
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I too was thinking about the Boss Jack or Satin Jack; also, the BA3 has the exact same handle as the Satin Jack with just a shorter blade. I would choose either the Boss Jack or Satin Jack for the extra blade length.
 
gk4ever2 said:
I too was thinking about the Boss Jack or Satin Jack; also, the BA3 has the exact same handle as the Satin Jack with just a shorter blade. I would choose either the Boss Jack or Satin Jack for the extra blade length.
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Man, I haven’t even had a chance to handle these or a lot of the Busse and kin that the others mentioned like the Sus.
Guess this thread puts even more Busse in my wish list and that isn’t a bad thing.:cool:

Appreciate everyone’s insights into which Busse handles they like, as well as the general gun/knife knowledge with regards to close quarters encounters and CCW.
 
It’s my understanding that the stats are that the person with the knife inside 21 feet ultimately loose the fight the majority of the time against trained personnels like police. After all, you are bringing a knife to a gunfight lol! However, the odds of doing serious permanent damage before the fight is over by knife is significantly increased inside 21feet, even against same said train professionals. Fatality odds increase with closer proximity. Im just saying these are very important statistics if you are using either a knife or a firearm in a self defense scenario. They don’t refer to knife fighting as up close and personal for nothin ya know! :)
 
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