Black Jack's Blatant use of Randall Made Knives Designs?

You make too much of this. Blackjack is not going to do this. Why should they? There are other knives that are similar also. Be careful, you can get thrown in jail for buying a bj. ;)
 
LastRodeo said:
If I remember correctly, it was along the lines of the "silent sister company". When I read it I remember having an aha moment.

If I could offer a suggestion. The American knife industry has a long history of copying each other. It's almost a defining trait among them. For example, everyone and his brother copied the Buck 110.

Don't get worked up about it. The manufacturers can and will work that out among themselves.

I am curious though, will you be using or collecting the Randall?
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I will be using it. I know knife companies copy other knife companies. Again bj jack seemed to make their whole company based on Randall. It seems a little rediculous and above and beyond. I know how I would feel if I saw another company pop up mimicking everything I came up with, and now they are competing with me. Unless they gave me some credit of course
 
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22-rimfire said:
You make too much of this. Blackjack is not going to do this. Why should they? There are other knives that are similar also. Be careful, you can get thrown in jail for buying a bj. ;)
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Its a knife forum...Im aloud to be passionate about my purchases and getting information
 
extrastout said:
I will be using it. I know knife companies copy other knife companies. Again bj jack seemed to make their whole company based on Randall. It seems a little rediculous and above and beyond. I know how I would feel if I saw another company pop up mimicking everything I came up with, and now they are competing with me. Unless they gave me some credit of course
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This is how I would feel if I were Randall....

At some point I would ask myself. Hey, I own an iconic brand, but there is a whole market out there that can't afford my product (and even if they could, I don't have the manufacturing capacity to supply). I certainly don't want to hurt my brand by manufacturing cheaper knives for the masses anyway. What do I do? Partner (silently) with another brand to manufacture knives for that market.

That's what I would do.
 
LastRodeo said:
This is how I would feel if I were Randall....

At some point I would ask myself. Hey, I own an iconic brand, but there is a whole market out there that can't afford my product (and even if they could, I don't have the manufacturing capacity to supply). I certainly don't want to hurt my brand by manufacturing cheaper knives for the masses anyway. What do I do? Partner (silently) with another brand to manufacture knives for that market.

That's what I would do.
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Yes, and i'm trying to figure out if this is what Randall is doing
 
LastRodeo said:
This is how I would feel if I were Randall....

At some point I would ask myself. Hey, I own an iconic brand, but there is a whole market out there that can't afford my product (and even if they could, I don't have the manufacturing capacity to supply). I certainly don't want to hurt my brand by manufacturing cheaper knives for the masses anyway. What do I do? Partner (silently) with another brand to manufacture knives for that market.

That's what I would do.
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I can understand it either way. At one end, it may still be diluting their brand, but if it's not actually impeding their business, it may not be worth the effort.
 
Stewart was connected to the family that owns Marbles. They were also an early importer of Chris Reeves knives. For a time they owned Ek. They also were the subcontractor for early Beckers long ago. He also had small collaborations with a few other makers, before they got tired of him, and moved on to greener pastures.

Randall has only had three larger factory collaborations - The Springfield Randalls of WWII, the Solingen Randalls, and a brief line of IXL Wostenholm Randalls. The Springfields were true factory knives, the other two were blade blanks that Randall would fit and handle. You may also run into F-S knives, Victorinox knives, Schrades, and a few others that have a slight Randall connection as Randall sold them out of the shop at times. Nothing shady going on with them, as they were just knives that Randall liked, and sold small batches of.

There were also a few Randall axes that used Marbles bit blanks as the base axe head. The story behind these is widely known, and not many exist.

Randall's never had a relationship with Blackjack, although it is one of the funnier rumors to come out of this.
 
extrastout said:
You posted on my thread, so you do care what I "see"....I am sticking with the fact that black jack based their whole business on the work of Randall Made Knives. Maybe Denial makes you feel better about buying from bj's and not buying the real thing, and thats fine. I was hoping to discover that I was wrong and black jack got some kind of permission or gave Randall credits. Maybe the owners are good friends...something?

Roll on.
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I see you in the rearview mirror, sorry for all that dust...[/QUOTE]

None of us own any thread here, unless it's Spark. Your "authority" is as good - or as weak - as the ability of your argument to persuade.

You are clearly wrong about BJ "basing their whole business om the work of Randall Knives." As I have pointed out, BJ started with selling Reeve knives and the brand appears on many models that bear no relationship to Randall. Moreover, the BK 1-7 differs from the Randall Model 1 in every detail. Denial obviously makes you feel better about your argument, but that's OK here. We appreciate rivers in Eqypt.

To quote Spark: "Hatas gonna Hate."
 
extrastout said:
None of us own any thread here, unless it's Spark. Your "authority" is as good - or as weak - as the ability of your argument to persuade.

You are clearly wrong about BJ "basing their whole business om the work of Randall Knives." As I have pointed out, BJ started with selling Reeve knives and the brand appears on many models that bear no relationship to Randall. Moreover, the BK 1-7 differs from the Randall Model 1 in every detail. Denial obviously makes you feel better about your argument, but that's OK here. We appreciate rivers in Eqypt.

To quote Spark: "Hatas gonna Hate."
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ok..well I stand by my opinion, and respect yours. If you are/represent the customer base of bj, this is another reason why I will pass. I was told to Roll on and I did. Drove right by.... I stand by my correct opinion and will not be a sheep like you....Now go bow to your king "Your "authority"" I will be over here in the free world
 
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Pomsbz said:
King? You're not doing anything for your credibility. Do try to research your insults...
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I'm asking a question, not putting out information. Thanks for coming out of no where and contributing to this thread. I will not buy a black jack, because I don't like there business model and did not get convinced otherwise...There are plenty other brands
 
extrastout said:
I'm asking a question, not putting out information. Thanks for coming out of no where and contributing to this thread. I will not buy a black jack, because I don't like there business model and did not get convinced otherwise...There are plenty other brands
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Nope, you're trying to trash a brand and sticking your head in the sand when told that you are wrong, finally resorting to petty insults when you have no facts to argue your case.
 
Pomsbz said:
Nope, you're trying to trash a brand and sticking your head in the sand when told that you are wrong, finally resorting to petty insults when you have no facts to argue your case.
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Again thanks for contributing to this thread, great insight...No one is wrong. This is now about opinion, and my opinion is as it was before this thread....Correct....Because in my opionion Black Jack needs to throw some credit toward Randall. I was hoping to hear that they did by starting this thread. I did not get this though. My opinion is not to support them. When I get jabbed, I jab back. You are doing nothing but sticking your nose where it doesnt belong, because you are not contributing anything toward this the topic :). I am all done with this thread and got all I needed. Thank you, time to enjoy the weather outside!
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Kings appoint family members to cabinet positions better filled by professionals and people with experience in that field. And they play by their own rules(ie "I can shoot someone in the middle of the street [like a lunatic G-A-N-G-S-T-A]").

If we're being honest, n all.
 
Now, bow before your king, before all your rights are gone and you're no longer aloud. :rolleyes:
 
extrastout said:
I'm asking a question, not putting out information. Thanks for coming out of no where and contributing to this thread. I will not buy a black jack, because I don't like there business model and did not get convinced otherwise...There are plenty other brands
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Let's see if this is true? Seeking information and not "putting out any information" on your own. I refer you to your thread title " Black Jack's Blatant use of Randall Made Knives Designs?". If that is not putting out information, I don't know what is?

Then because you really have no facts, just an opinion which of course you're entitled to. But it still stinks. You say stuff like this...

ok..well I stand by my opinion, and respect yours. If you are/represent the customer base of bj, this is another reason why I will pass. I was told to Roll on and I did. Drove right by.... I stand by my correct opinion and will not be a sheep like you....Now go bow to your king "Your "authority"" I will be over here in the free world I'm asking a question, not putting out information.
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You resort to insults and have done this a couple times. Not necessary. You don't own this thread as you seem to think.
 
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