Bladesmithing as a Career?

I skipped trade school and college :p but seriously I began college at a major university but couldn't cut it due in part the generic and for me terrible advice of the advisor ending up with a bad schedule and flunking out. After that wasted year I began taking classes at a local community college back home and worked so it took ~3 yrs to complete my AAS, Computer Information Systems, and after which I couldn't find work and finally accepted an offer from a friend of the family to work in his companies IT department. It was more adjacent to what I studied, which was mostly computer programming, but similar to some side work I had been doing since I was in my teens. IT wasn't bad but the hours, stress, and "disrespect" suck I say "disrespect" with quotations because it is mostly that no one values IT we are blamed for what ever problem we are called to fix so fixing it generally isn't thanked and when all our work is done right it looks like we are doing nothing. So to everyone here who has an IT staff they occasionally rely on trust me when I say they do so much more than you probably think and get so little thanks for it all. I spent almost 10 years doing that before moving into a less IT specific role, more an IT liaison now, so things work out funny I spent time on a degree I never really have used. I don't regret my time spent on my degree it does have its uses that come in handy but so many things in hindsight could have been done differently but who knows where I would be today if it had gone differently.
 
thnx. ive though abt it for the last several hours, and i think ill try to get either an apprenticship or try to get into a trade school for welding, and just do knife making on the side, that way i can make money, work with metal, AND make knives. i appreciate the advice.

That's a reasonable thing to do.
Mike Rowe - Dirty jobs ahs been saying that for a long time. Oprah has now stolen that too.
A job has to make money, it doesn't have to fullful you.

Also, read - or audiobook if yiou don't like to read - Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
It's in all the libraries, you can get it free there or internet downloads whatever's convenient
https://www.amazon.com/Rich-Dad-Poor-Teach-Middle/dp/0964385619

No one gets rich in a job. Buy some rental housing.


Welding
All the old welders I know were smoke eaters.
They smoked cigarettes and they didn't bother much with fans, dust extraction or masks since the welding smoke didn't bother them and they liked the smell of diesel smoke. They didn't bother with hoists and lifts, because just lifting it was faster.

Now that they are old, back injuries mean they can't lift what they used to
They all have COPD and carry an oxygen tank because they can't catch a full breath.

Be smart, use the PPE.
Do TIG and weld inside on a chair instead of on your knees upside down in a ditch on a rainy day. Or be an inspector, or program the welding robots in production factory, or do contracting estimates.

No matter what field you're in, be smart, look for how you get in the gravy jobs and avoid the shit jobs.
 
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That used to be the case.
I once asked the head of the engineering department at Purdue University if I wouldn't be better off going to trade school for less than half the price. He said "Honestly? If you want a guaranteed job, I'd go to trade school; Everybody is going to college. Fewer and fewer are going into the trades. You'll always need plumbers, or welders, or electricians." He was right. In hindsight, I wish I would have left right there and joined the IBEW. The job market was absolutely flooded with engineers when I graduated. It took me nearly a year to find a job out of college, and for every interview I could get, there were dozens of other applicants.
I have a B.S. in Electrical and Computer Engineering Technology from a very well regarded university, and I'm currently babysitting boilers in the basement of a hospital.
With a stay atd home wife (who happens to have a Masters degree btw), and 4 kids, I can't afford to take a 10+ dollar per hour pay cut while I go through an apprenticeship somewhere. I'd much rather be an electrician, a millwright, or a machinist. Everybody told me I'd make more money with a degree. They were wrong. That piece of paper qualified me for each of my job interviews, I suppose, but I've yet to really have a job that has anything to do with said degree.

To the OP, it's good that you're already thinking about these things at only 16. I didn't pick a degree until 1 week before registration closed at Purdue. If I had it all to do over, I'd have made some drastically different choices.

I am a professional Engineer and I will never steer anyone away from trades. For me in Canada, at the time I had to do an extra year at High School called OAC before I could apply to University. I took a 5 year program that gave me a business minor. After graduating with a Civil Engineering Degree I received the kick in the balls that starting salaries were about $40-45,000. Had I gone into trades I would have been making much more by that time and would already have 6 years experience. It's very difficult to make up that 6 years of lost income plus having to pay for school. The good side is now after 15 years since graduating, I'm a partner at my company and making a great salary. I work in comfortable conditions and have a great work life balance. Also, when I get close to retirement there will be plenty of opportunities to "semi retire" and freelance to earn an income on the side. One thing that drive me crazy is the amount of people who call themselves Engineers. In Canada this is illegal but it never seems to be enforced and I strongly feel that it waters down profession. Many HR people don't understand the difference between and Engineer, Technologist and Technician.

Trades are a great option and there is a huge shortage (in Canada at least). This is due to decades of schools pushing kids into University or College. I have big respect for tradesmen. They pay very well and and much of the apprenticeship term is paid as well. You also don't have the huge school debt to try to make up once you enter work. Welding is a very good trade and if you get specialized you can do extremely well. The work can very hard and is very taxing on the body. I know many tradesmen who's bodies are broken by the time they're 50 so you need to take that into account. Welders are often working in very extreme conditions in difficult positions for many hours a day. Guys in the oil fields were making hundreds of thousands but just imagine welding on a platform for 10 hours a day in minus 40 degree weather plus windchill. There are also great opportunities to open your own business or take on work on the side for extra cash.

I don't want to generalize too much because every situation is different but if you enjoy metal working then you should seriously consider moving in that direction. You'll make a good living and have money on the side to do the things you love. You can always change from a trade to something else later but it will be much hard to transition from knife making to a trade later on.

Just my 2 cents. Others may disagree.
 
From my own personal perspective, you can make a very decent living by making knives.

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Making the most beautiful knives and NOT knowing about sales or accounting, sales, public speaking, sales, metallurgy, sales, methods, sales, not being shy, sales, computers, social networks, sales... Will only make you a good knifemaker but will not make you a decent living.

I'm 52 and started making knives 8 years ago as a hobby, I'm a professional since 2015, and make a decent living since about a year and a half after that. But (again) I am an entrepreneur, I built 3 successful businesses, failed at 10x times other businesses, learned a lot, had my savings when I decided to become pro and I'm happy, very happy.

I always told to whoever wants to listen, when I'm tired of working for my work list, I stop and make a knife for me to enjoy for a while and then sell it, its like returning to the hobby days. I'm trying to transmit that I love what I do, that's not small part of my success.

Someone suggested a book, let me suggest another one, because I think it will help you a lot: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00COOFBA4

What the book tries to transmit is that the more you know about a lot of things sooner or later, when many of these things intersect with each other you instantly become one of the best in that trade, whatever the trade is.

I've learned this over my entire life, but you can shorten it a lot by studying, learning, practicing and almost as important: failing.
If you expect this to become instant knowledge, unless you're super lucky, its a recipe for failure. You need to do the walk.

Pablo
 
I'm 51, started as a side hobby in Los Angeles in 2015, professional for the last 2.5 years.
I did it pretty abruptly, although I had most of my equipment and training already completed.
It still takes another year or so to figure things out.

It's taken me 2 years to make it to a point to have a pretty good living, here in central AZ, it would likely still be insufficient in Los Angeles.
But I have no debt, reasonable mortgage and few expenses.
I did have to leave Los Angeles however, I knew I wasn't going to make it there.

Knifemaking as a profession provides me 2 main things, the ability to work by myself, meaning not have to work with other personalities...and freedom.

For the most part for 2 years, I had to get up everyday and figure out to pay the mortgage and make sure I had something to eat. About half of it was done by savings. It's better now, but you have to persevere for a year or so.

Murray Carter just released a book on how to make money making knives, you might check that out.

as far as how much you can earn? depends of course on what you make etc etc.
I can make and sell about 15 knives per month full time comfortably, you can do the math as to how much you get per knife for your monthly sales figure.

and my favorite quote I love to leave you with, when I told Howard Hitchmough I was going to be a fulltime knifemaker, he said - "good luck, the first 35 years are the hardest..."
 
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Whatever you do, just work hard, be kind and stay humble. Try to learn as much as you can. The rest will fall into place.

I’m in a career I never thought I’d be in and I love it.
 
One thing that drive me crazy is the amount of people who call themselves Engineers. In Canada this is illegal but it never seems to be enforced and I strongly feel that it waters down profession. Many HR people don't understand the difference between and Engineer, Technologist and Technician.

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I've noticed that to those coming from the UK, England and such plus Europe, anything technical is called engineering and everyone with a hammer and a wrench is called an engineer.
 
That's why you gotta get your wife to get an MBA, and then run the business side of things!

Then she'd be the boss for real though...
 
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I've noticed that to those coming from the UK, England and such plus Europe, anything technical is called engineering and everyone with a hammer and a wrench is called an engineer.
thats common thing in europe.
’Engineer’ is a skilled mechanical tradesworker.
”Diploma Engineer” or ”Dipl. Ing.” indicates university certification. Europeans often proud to display their social/academic rank.
Its commonly displayed professional title much like americans are used to seeing Dr., JD. or Esq. titles.
 
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thats common thing in europe.
’Engineer’ is a skilled mechanical tradesworker.
”Diploma Engineer” or ”Dipl. Ing.” indicates university certification. Europeans often proud to display their social rank.
Its commonly displayed professional title much like americans are used to seeing Dr., JD. or Esq. titles.
Is Dipl. Ing. still common in Europe? I thought they changed in the late '90s, at least in Germany, and are now calling it bachelor or masters degree, depending on whether it is from a Fachhochschule or university. I'm not really sure though, it's been quite a while since I lived there.
 
A slightly different take from a couple previous comments... (for what it is worth....)

I am an engineer (yes, university diploma) ... several in fact. All told, I spent almost 13 years in either college and graduate school. Enjoyed the time (well, mostly), and definitely enjoyed the work the experience and training allowed me to do (but then again, I really enjoy applying theory to real-life, using data analysis to understand and communicate what is "really happening", and creating and characterizing complex systems - I KNOW that comes as a real surprise to many of the people here... :-) ). BUT, that is me. I know a couple - one is chief of neurosurgery at a big local hospital, the other is president of a local college. One of their kids just simply said they did not want to go to college - was not interested at all (that took a while for my friends to understand). I know well several people who practice trades (carpentry, tile laying, painting, general "handyman" work), and they really enjoy what they do (both from the perspective of seeing a job well done, as well as the personal freedom working for themselves gives them). Several of them started out as practicing (diploma) engineers in industry - and decided that just was not for them. There seems to be a lot of satisfaction and pride in starting a job and seeing it done, and done well, to the end. We also know, or know of, quite a few physicians and lawyers who went in to their profession only because of the apparent lure of "big money". Many of them are really, really unhappy doing what they do.

In the end, I have seen that people really are happy doing what they enjoy (not what they think makes money) - and yes, making enough money to live off of. The standard of living needs to be adjusted to the money made - but I think better that than making big bucks and being unhappy and frustrated and angry all the time.

As others have said - you do need to know how to manage that money, and potentially to market yourself. Without that, there will be problems (there are lots of examples of very wealthy people who did not learn that lesson and ended up paupers in bankruptcy).
 
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It's great if you can get lucky enough to get noticed by New York Times or other national media to make your name and your product desirable among people with a lot of disposable income. It doesn't hurt to be a relatively attractive female knifemaker too. Even then, make sure you save a ton of money for if/when the gravy train slows down or derails.

Being self-employed, insurance and taxes will eat up a lot of income too (from having no employer contribution).

For me, making knives will always be a hobby even when I retire because I don't want much to deal with people and want only to make exactly what I want to make rather than having to take into account the wants and tastes of the knife buying consumer. I'm perfectly happy to never sell another knife ever again, but that's just me...
 
I started making knives at 11 in 1961. I still make knives, and sell all I make. However, it is still a hobby that earns a few bucks.

If I put all the money I have made selling knives in one box and all the money I have spent making knives in the another box, it would clearly show I would have been financially much better off not ever making knives.

Still, My plan is to go full time in 2025.
 
I started making knives at 11 in 1961. I still make knives, and sell all I make. However, it is still a hobby that earns a few bucks.

If I put all the money I have made selling knives in one box and all the money I have spent making knives in the another box, it would clearly show I would have been financially much better off not ever making knives.

Still, My plan is to go full time in 2025.

That's awesome Stacy! I'm just guessing here but you have probably finally reached a point to where all your equipment is paid for and you now have everything down to where knife making can become (at least somewhat) profitable now. It just takes a while to get there, especially when your shop and equipment needs are expanding all the time. I'm always one machine away from 'happy' lol
 
Plus one for this, except instead of the stock market- buy realestate that you can rent out that pays for itself.

Well, you should certainly do both! My proposal was the easiest way for joe sixpack to make his money actually work for him. There is no excuse to not be invested in something in this day and age.
 
I started making snare drums and drum kits just because I wanted to build using wood and it was a fun hobby. First few years I gave some away and made some at the cost of materials for friends and local drummers. It was fun and I enjoyed being in the shop making custom one of a kind drums. Then I started selling them and all of a sudden I had deadlines to meet, orders to fill and expectations to live up to. It became a job and somewhere in there I stopped having fun. It wasn't refreshing or rejuvenating any more. Decided to quit, refunded one guy his money and finished off 3 orders, made one last kit for myself and that was it.
I'm similar to milkbaby now. I make knives because it is my zen time. I shape and wet sand handles or stitch sheaths during meetings. I glue up handles during my lunch breaks or when I need a brain break. I make knives with students and carve with the children. I give knives I make away, donate them to fundraisers, and made a some for the cost of materials for acquaintances. I don't want to ever sell them or take orders. I just want it to stay something that is creative, challenging and fulfilling.
 
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