Civivi Naja Damascus - what damascus steel?

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insta9ves

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Hi all, saw the new Civivi Naja Damascus model being announced recently. The Damascus looks good and crisp and for a $75 knife this seems like a good deal. However I can’t seem to find any info on the steel besides WE mentioning that it’s “Chinese Damascus”.
Does anyone has more info on the composition of the Chinese damascus steel? Even the % carbon of each steel would be a good start.
 
Hi Guys. Right now I do not know the exact chemistry of the steel. Only fact I know is that it behaves like a well heathtreated 440c. I will find out and post it over here.
 
Yeah I’ll hold till i get some info on the steel. If it’s decent, this will be my first ever damascus knife. I just hope it isn’t like something offered on massdrop before where they used some Vegas Forge steel with 310 series steel in the mix. 310 steel is pretty much a butter knife steel. Im looking for a damascus user.
 
insta9ves said:
Yeah I’ll hold till i get some info on the steel. If it’s decent, this will be my first ever damascus knife. I just hope it isn’t like something offered on massdrop before where they used some Vegas Forge steel with 310 series steel in the mix. 310 steel is pretty much a butter knife steel. Im looking for a damascus user.
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Henkh said it performs like 440c, so it cant be bad.
 
The damascus is a 9cr18mov damascussteel. 9cr18mov we also use in the first Civivi designs Baklash, Praxis and Naja. Well heathtreated it really performs very well.
 
henkh said:
The damascus is a 9cr18mov damascussteel. 9cr18mov we also use in the first Civivi designs Baklash, Praxis and Naja. Well heathtreated it really performs very well.
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First time I've heard of it. How many layers does it have? Is it purely 9cr18mov or is there other steels in the mix?

I see it's used in some chef's knives.

I found one place selling a variation of it -

"Traditional damascus steel,

Hand-forged damascus steel with a straight pattern. Each piece is unique! The piece is made of 9Cr18Mov as core steel and a softer rust resistant layer (416 Rvs. (35 layers each side)) on the outside. Rockwell hardness of 57 for the core layer and 40 for the damascus outer layer."
 
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The blade doesn't look like it's "San Mai" so i doubt the cutting edge is made entirely out of 9cr18mov. It'll be interesting to see what other steel is added in the mix.
 
insta9ves said:
The blade doesn't look like it's "San Mai" so i doubt the cutting edge is made entirely out of 9cr18mov. It'll be interesting to see what other steel is added in the mix.
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You're right - it doesn't look laminated. I've asked our sales rep to find out more info.
 
The swedge on the top of the blade looks like a standard layered Damascus. (that is the top - not the cutting edge)

 
As mentioned the Damascus is based on 9cr steel. The other components are not being published to avoid other companies to copy this concept of a very good and affordable damascus.
 
That's basically the same answer I received as well from our rep -

"Hi Tony,
We called the supplier and he replied that the information he is able to share is what was provided earlier (the base steel is 9Cr18MoV). For the more details, their factory replied that it is super confidential technology information that cannot be disclosed because they do not want their Damascus counterfeited or copycatted."

I've just had a look at one and it looks very nice indeed. I would have said it was a Damasteel product based on looks alone.
 
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You must have two different types of steel . One must be substantially less "stainless" so that it shows up darker . Otherwise , no pattern is visible .
 
I just got one last week, looks as good as the high end Damasteel. The "dark" part is actually almost mirror polished, while the "bright" part looks almost bead blasted. I'm loving it so far. It's bummer that the handle doesn't fit my hand, now i wished they make damascus Baklash and other model as well. I'll probably buy all of them

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Seems too good to be true but it looks great. I really must have one but I am patient so I'll see what comes out next.
 
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