1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Week 21 drawing for the BladeForums.com 20th Anniversary Year of Giveaways live stream going on from 5-6PM eastern!!
    Tune in to our YouTube Channel, http://www.youtube.com/TheRealBladeforums, we'll be drawing winners for BladeForums.com merchandise & the grand prize:
    a Kizer Knives Megatherium, along with BladeForums branded gear!

    Additional prize(s) will be awarded to people in the livestream chat, so watch for your chance to win bonus prize(s)

Civivi Naja Damascus - what damascus steel?

Discussion in 'We Knife' started by insta9ves, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. insta9ves

    insta9ves

    Apr 3, 2007
    Hi all, saw the new Civivi Naja Damascus model being announced recently. The Damascus looks good and crisp and for a $75 knife this seems like a good deal. However I can’t seem to find any info on the steel besides WE mentioning that it’s “Chinese Damascus”.
    Does anyone has more info on the composition of the Chinese damascus steel? Even the % carbon of each steel would be a good start.
     
  2. True Talon

    True Talon

    403
    Aug 14, 2016
    Good question. Maybe Henk can enlighten us further?
     
  3. henkh

    henkh Gold Member Gold Member

    529
    May 13, 2015
    Hi Guys. Right now I do not know the exact chemistry of the steel. Only fact I know is that it behaves like a well heathtreated 440c. I will find out and post it over here.
     
    Night Rider likes this.
  4. DrRollinstein

    DrRollinstein Gold Member Gold Member

    774
    Feb 20, 2018
    Gonna have to grab one. Looks almost as nice as damasteel.
     
  5. insta9ves

    insta9ves

    Apr 3, 2007
    Yeah I’ll hold till i get some info on the steel. If it’s decent, this will be my first ever damascus knife. I just hope it isn’t like something offered on massdrop before where they used some Vegas Forge steel with 310 series steel in the mix. 310 steel is pretty much a butter knife steel. Im looking for a damascus user.
     
  6. DrRollinstein

    DrRollinstein Gold Member Gold Member

    774
    Feb 20, 2018
    Henkh said it performs like 440c, so it cant be bad.
     
  7. henkh

    henkh Gold Member Gold Member

    529
    May 13, 2015
    The damascus is a 9cr18mov damascussteel. 9cr18mov we also use in the first Civivi designs Baklash, Praxis and Naja. Well heathtreated it really performs very well.
     
  8. True Talon

    True Talon

    403
    Aug 14, 2016
    First time I've heard of it. How many layers does it have? Is it purely 9cr18mov or is there other steels in the mix?

    I see it's used in some chef's knives.

    I found one place selling a variation of it -

    "Traditional damascus steel,

    Hand-forged damascus steel with a straight pattern. Each piece is unique! The piece is made of 9Cr18Mov as core steel and a softer rust resistant layer (416 Rvs. (35 layers each side)) on the outside. Rockwell hardness of 57 for the core layer and 40 for the damascus outer layer."
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
  9. insta9ves

    insta9ves

    Apr 3, 2007
    The blade doesn't look like it's "San Mai" so i doubt the cutting edge is made entirely out of 9cr18mov. It'll be interesting to see what other steel is added in the mix.
     
  10. True Talon

    True Talon

    403
    Aug 14, 2016
    You're right - it doesn't look laminated. I've asked our sales rep to find out more info.
     
  11. True Talon

    True Talon

    403
    Aug 14, 2016
    The swedge on the top of the blade looks like a standard layered Damascus. (that is the top - not the cutting edge)

    [​IMG]
     
  12. henkh

    henkh Gold Member Gold Member

    529
    May 13, 2015
    As mentioned the Damascus is based on 9cr steel. The other components are not being published to avoid other companies to copy this concept of a very good and affordable damascus.
     
    Night Rider likes this.
  13. True Talon

    True Talon

    403
    Aug 14, 2016
    That's basically the same answer I received as well from our rep -

    "Hi Tony,
    We called the supplier and he replied that the information he is able to share is what was provided earlier (the base steel is 9Cr18MoV). For the more details, their factory replied that it is super confidential technology information that cannot be disclosed because they do not want their Damascus counterfeited or copycatted."

    I've just had a look at one and it looks very nice indeed. I would have said it was a Damasteel product based on looks alone.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2019
    henkh likes this.
  14. True Talon

    True Talon

    403
    Aug 14, 2016
    Close up of the Naja blade. At that price it’s a steal.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. DocJD

    DocJD

    Jan 29, 2016
    You must have two different types of steel . One must be substantially less "stainless" so that it shows up darker . Otherwise , no pattern is visible .
     
    henkh likes this.
  16. Night Rider

    Night Rider Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 16, 2018
    Well thanks insta9ves :mad:! Now I MUST HAVE ONE
     
    henkh likes this.
  17. insta9ves

    insta9ves

    Apr 3, 2007
    I just got one last week, looks as good as the high end Damasteel. The "dark" part is actually almost mirror polished, while the "bright" part looks almost bead blasted. I'm loving it so far. It's bummer that the handle doesn't fit my hand, now i wished they make damascus Baklash and other model as well. I'll probably buy all of them

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    Night Rider and henkh like this.
  18. henkh

    henkh Gold Member Gold Member

    529
    May 13, 2015
    You better start saving @insta9ves we will release several damascus civivi designs within weeks.
     
    insta9ves and DrRollinstein like this.
  19. DrRollinstein

    DrRollinstein Gold Member Gold Member

    774
    Feb 20, 2018
    Can you name names or do we have to wait? A Damascus wyvern would be crazy.
     
    Night Rider likes this.
  20. Night Rider

    Night Rider Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 16, 2018
    Seems too good to be true but it looks great. I really must have one but I am patient so I'll see what comes out next.
     

Share This Page