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Lexus is made by Toyota but people don't go around saying that.
Dodge used to make the Dakota truck and they made one for Mitsubishi (raider). No one went around calling it s dodge dakota when it clearly says Mitsubishi raider
What real world testing do you guys go by to know for 100% sure than every high end steel outperforms every lower end steel?
Dodge used to make the Dakota truck and they made one for Mitsubishi (raider). No one went around calling it s dodge dakota when it clearly says Mitsubishi raider
What real world testing do you guys go by to know for 100% sure than every high end steel outperforms every lower end steel?
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A guy who's not a knife knut sees Smith & Wesson printed on a knife and says it's made by S&W. I don't see that as some horrendous lie or sign of idiocy or that it invalidates any of the testing. 
If someone has issues with his actual testing protocol, fine, but this seems nit-picky to me.
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Exactly. So far it seems people are just using it as an excuse to not even defend the fact that some higher end models didn't outperform lower end models. It's almost like they are scared to have that conversationA guy who's not a knife knut sees Smith & Wesson printed on a knife and says it's made by S&W. I don't see that as some horrendous lie or sign of idiocy or that it invalidates any of the testing.
Indeed sad, because Buck, Kabar, Ontario, Gerber, etc all do that. Check their websites if you want. But well, let's just target that one because branding is an important attribute for performance.
The dude tested other products that have different brand name despite being manufactured under the same factory before, and even then the results vary.
Edit: Just for an example
7Cr stainless steel! Wood handle! Ball bearing! Liner lock! Made in China
Exactly what Buck is known for!
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Edit 2: It is worse for me that the real knife makers sell their brands for Chinese factory for easy money than no knife makers selling their brands. They abuse people with minimal to no knowledge about the subject more than the others.
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I take you meaning , but the quality of the knife is not necessarily dependent on this factor alone.
Most consumers are generally not sensitive or concerned with the details of exactly who manufactures and assembles all the parts in a given product .
It does matter to me , in some cases ...but not to the average consumer , IMO .
Right now, every established (perhaps historic?) gun manufacturer is selling all the high quality guns they can produce. Every surviving one, that is. It would be financial suicide for them to stop doing that to build cheap knives.
There is a certain market segment gullible enough to believe that their new $13 knife is nevertheless made by S&W. I’ve had (short) conversations with a few of them, and tried to introduce them to the truth, sometimes successfully. When they tell me “I know it is because the PF guy said so,” now I’ll know who they’re talking about.
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There is a certain market segment gullible enough to believe that their new $13 knife is nevertheless made by S&W. I’ve had (short) conversations with a few of them, and tried to introduce them to the truth, sometimes successfully. When they tell me “I know it is because the PF guy said so,” now I’ll know who they’re talking about.
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For the record, I do my own testing at my own expense and risk. I don’t really care about his testing, don’t have a dog in that fight.
But S&W has a manufacturing and quality history in America reaching back well over a century. If you don’t see the dishonesty in claiming that for a $13 knife, I don’t know what else I can say.
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But S&W has a manufacturing and quality history in America reaching back well over a century. If you don’t see the dishonesty in claiming that for a $13 knife, I don’t know what else I can say.
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100%. Hell, MANY U.S. designers' knives are made in China, and that includes knives selling for under $100 as well as ones costing closer to $1,000. Be nice if they were all made here, but the truth is that there just aren't enough U.S. OEMs to handle the production.
Sure, and if I were already a fan of his I’d probably try to give him the benefit of the doubt. Although I do think he easily could have phrased it more accurately, and it would have saved me boosting my post count tonight.
“This knife, from Smith & Wesson, was made in China.”
“This Smith & Wesson knife is…(blah, blah, blah).”
Even “This Chinese Smith and Wesson single blade folder measures so long and weighs so much.”
But he said it was made by them, which it is not.
Perhaps the problem here is that I’m kind of a hermit, have no TV, and am unversed in the little white lies of commercial speech. So this stands out to me, and it doesn’t to you (not you personally, but y’all).
Demographic misalignment, that’s my misfortune, not yours. And I’m well on my way to being a curmudgeon, that’s a factor. How I see it, though.
And thank you personally, David, for not putting your name on cheap imported knives for a fee. When I see your name on a knife some member is bragging on, I know it’s yours.
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“This knife, from Smith & Wesson, was made in China.”
“This Smith & Wesson knife is…(blah, blah, blah).”
Even “This Chinese Smith and Wesson single blade folder measures so long and weighs so much.”
But he said it was made by them, which it is not.
Perhaps the problem here is that I’m kind of a hermit, have no TV, and am unversed in the little white lies of commercial speech. So this stands out to me, and it doesn’t to you (not you personally, but y’all).
Demographic misalignment, that’s my misfortune, not yours. And I’m well on my way to being a curmudgeon, that’s a factor. How I see it, though.
And thank you personally, David, for not putting your name on cheap imported knives for a fee. When I see your name on a knife some member is bragging on, I know it’s yours.
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Would this one make you feel better?
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It's easy ...
Steel is only as good as it is cooked .... Just like food !
Just because some one puts T-bone on your plate , does not mean it's good !
And the same goes for steel !
How can D2 test from 100 Fail to 600 Fail ...
And the answer is easy , There is good D2 and Bad D2 ... And lets not forget , you can print anything on a blade !
I have a Civivi Dogma that has been tested half a dozen times and consistently comes up short around 150 slices ..( D2 )
And then I have a number of other D2 that do 450 slices
And then I have a TwoSun that hit 600 ( D2 ) .
And the simple answer is .. How the steel is cooked .
I dont have $50,000 of test equipment for a complicated answer .. So simply accept that steels are not equal ! , and that some companies do more bad steel than others !
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In this case it could also be that the factory fried the edge on a belt grinder. I've had knives that couldn't hold an edge worth a damn out of the box, but improved remarkably after the 3rd or 4th sharpening.
Yes. Thank you.Would this one make you feel better?
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until I read this thread, I did not know S&W doesn't make knives. So if someone had asked me yesterday about the S&W "H.R.T." knife that I have (which I bought before I was halfway knowledge about knives, don't judge me!) would have said I have a knife made by S&W. Wouldn't be a lie, white, black or purple. Just a mistake.
Yes , and in the heat treat ...
Some knife makers go for a differential heat treat ..
They try to get the thinner edge @ 60 Rockwell and the thicker part of the blade a little softer to make the knife more durable ..
But say if the thickest part of the blade is 60 , then the thinner edge could be harder ( brittle ) or even over cooked ..
Because there are so many variables involved , it is easy to stuff it up .
Not everyone has expensive automated heat treat equipment that are computer controlled .
And then there is annealing and cryo and other secret sauce things .
ANd because of the possible heat issue with the edge grind , some sharpen the knife 4 to 6 times ..
To get rid of soft or crispy steel .
Unfortunately , many knives come with soft blades ..
I have one that is buttery soft , like it was never heat treated .
And there were stories going around about China a little while ago ( 2021 ) .. They were having power issues ( Lack of electricity ) = So the story went .
????? Did they cold cook their chicken ? Sending out under cooked chicken burgers ? Who knows ...
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And that's exactly why I think his test is valid and eye opening. People recommend the civil elementum(d2) left and right for a budget knife. Yet that sog in aus8 did far better. And the people that recommend it probably haven't tested it against that sog or another aus8 that's cheaper and performs better. Yet blindly recommend it
I have no preferences in brands or steels. I'm a noob. But that's exactly why this is so valuable. I don't want that $13 knife even tho i guarantee it outperformed what everyone he would have expected. But no matter what i spend i want to make sure I get the best one.
Sure i would be happy with the Benchmade even if it's overpriced for it's performance. Sure i would be happy with the D2 elementum. But if i knew going into the purchase that if i went with the sog i would have better performance than the elementum. I would be happier.
Again i know there's more to choosing a knife that the blade and performance. If you hate how it feels or operates then it's a deal breaker