Dual Survival - Cauterization

[CM_Rick]

I think the biggest problem with this is, it was done "on purpose." If this had been a true accident, the tone of the whole thing would be different. Yes it was stupid to do on purpose, but if it was a real emergency, and a way more serious wound (say a severed artery), I should think this technique to be a little too time consuming. But, it is effective at both cleansing and cauterizing the wound.

I like to carry a pack of salt with me in my altoids tin for this reason (or seasoning a steak ). Maybe seal it up with a pack of sugar, or even some super glue. Then again, I also carry some sutures and needles with me for serious cuts.

Be careful with cleaning a wound with water. It better be sterile and you better know for sure that it is sterile before you use it. Otherwise, you could make the situation worse by adding a dangerous contaminant to the wound. This may sound disgusting, but you can always pee on your wound. Yeah, that's right, I said use URIN! Pee is sterile unless you have a bladder or kidney infection.

 

[KuRUpTD]

Can you use magnesium in place of black powder

 

[Reorx]

This is from an upcoming episode of Jackass right?...

 

[sicily02]

Is the show back on or is this just a youtube trailer type of thing?

Bryan

 

[EMT_Lee]

I think the biggest problem with this is, it was done "on purpose." If this had been a true accident, the tone of the whole thing would be different. Yes it was stupid to do on purpose, but if it was a real emergency, and a way more serious wound (say a severed artery), I should think this technique to be a little too time consuming. But, it is effective at both cleansing and cauterizing the wound.

I like to carry a pack of salt with me in my altoids tin for this reason (or seasoning a steak ). Maybe seal it up with a pack of sugar, or even some super glue. Then again, I also carry some sutures and needles with me for serious cuts.

Be careful with cleaning a wound with water. It better be sterile and you better know for sure that it is sterile before you use it. Otherwise, you could make the situation worse by adding a dangerous contaminant to the wound. This may sound disgusting, but you can always pee on your wound. Yeah, that's right, I said use URIN! Pee is sterile unless you have a bladder or kidney infection.

I think too many people get caught up in the idea of cleaning, and sealing wounds out in the "wild". In most (99%?) of these situations, if you cut yourself badly enough to need closure, your best bet is to get the bleeding to stop and -seek professional help-. Do you need basic emergency medical knowledge? Absolutely. Do people need to focus on this garbage about pouring gunpowder in a wound and stuff? No. It's a fantasy type scenario.

 

[Joezilla]

That scene is incredibly funny.... It's a satire of the way wounds are treated in Hollywood westerns. I've been looking for it at youtube but it doesn't seem to be there.

Oh man I thought the same thing when I saw the dual survival video, awesome.

 

[k_estela]

I was hoping this was a spoof but unfortunately it is not. I'm really at a loss for words. If you're going to be dumb, you've gotta be tough. I'm just going to say the actions of those two in that scene are extremely tough then.

Not impressed, will never recommend this technique and am actually disgusted this was agreed to.

 

[bladerique]

I just watched the vid. That'll work if you have no other alternatives. Dave doesn't care about self-mutilation as evidenced by all the ink on his body.

When i was a boy, I learned from the Star Trek "Gorn" episode that simple gunpowder consists of charcoal, potassium somethingorother, and sulfur.

I'm not a medical professional, but those things aren't that harmful, and may even help. The old fashioned wound powder my mom used to give me had sulfur in it IIRC. And come to think of it, gunpowder was used for many medicinal purposes in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.

As for the argument that this is really bad because jackasses are going to copy it, then you'd have to make the same argument for much of TV, Film and video games.

I hope DC got a little bit extra in his check for that.

 

[sicily02]

Hi all,

I was looking at Daves pathfinder site. The new season starts April 22.

I will put my 2 cents into this thread.
When I saw the video and what Dave did, I thought I have seen some things done by Dave and Bear that I do not think is very wise, this one is another one, But another thought came to me mind and that is

THE MONEY MUST SO FREAKING GOOD.

I know money is not everything, but I do know that it is pretty freaking awesome to have too. All Dave has to do a few seasons of this stuff and he will be set for life, I bet. Hopefully he will use his money in the right way by letting his money work for him, instead of him working for his money, like the rest of us do.

Take care all,

Bryan

 

[Cougar Allen]

Can you use magnesium in place of black powder

How about dynamite? That would, like, disinfect the wound, roight? A small dynamite explosion should kill even the toughest germs.

 

[Gadgetaholic]

THE MONEY MUST SO FREAKING GOOD.

I know money is not everything, but I do know that it is pretty freaking awesome to have too. All Dave has to do a few seasons of this stuff and he will be set for life, I bet. Hopefully he will use his money in the right way by letting his money work for him, instead of him working for his money, like the rest of us do.

He probably did it for the chicks. Chicks dig scars and chicks dig guys with money - so Dave decided to get himself some money and a scar. He's probably surrounded by more chicks than he can handle now.

Kinda like this guy:

 

[machine26]

Obviously the wound wasnt bleeding enough to need cauterizing. Burns typically cover a larger surface area than lacerations so they get infected much easier. There are alot easier ways to stop bleeding than burning yourself such as pressure, pressure points, etc.

The best thing to do in the wild is to stop the bleeding, period. If you start burning yourself, sewing wounds up with all kinds of trash in em, all youre gonna do in the end is (( XXXX )) yourself up.

What I gain from watching this video is "dont be a dipshit".

ETA: If you really feel the need to "close a wound" in the wild, theres a much easier way than sewing or cooking yourself well done. Its called Liquid Skin and its available at the freaking dollar store, no need to buy the (( XXXX )) that costs 30+ dollars per tube online.

 

[Widerstand]

This is what Dave said on his facebook page about this "we were showing a technique using the gunpowder just as viable and the results were astounding, first hand experience can teach alot, no 3rd degree burn like with a hot knife and actually fully healed in 2 weeks with very little scaring."

 

[bladerique]

This is what Dave said on his facebook page about this "we were showing a technique using the gunpowder just as viable and the results were astounding, first hand experience can teach alot, no 3rd degree burn like with a hot knife and actually fully healed in 2 weeks with very little scaring."

Most cauterizing has been done with searing metal for thousands of years. Gunpowder is a better deal if you don't (( XXXX )) it up.

 

[EMT_Lee]

Most cauterizing has been done with searing metal for thousands of years. Gunpowder is a better deal if you don't (( XXXX )) it up.

No, it isn't. And, you need to watch your language in this forum. Remember where you're posting.

 

[bladerique]

No, it isn't. And, you need to watch your language in this forum. Remember where you're posting.

I suppose all expletives should be fully (( XXXX )) ?

You are familiar with historic uses of gunpowder, or are you just (( XXXX )) ?

EDIT: Hold on, I take it back. Never knew a guy that used GP for a wound or other medicinal uses. I'm not 200 years old.

 

[SouthernCross]

G'day Angus

Strange days indeed............

I wonder what is next.
Maybe Dave and Bear should get a show called Don't Try this at Home.

Bear could light Dave on fire after Dave has just puposely had himself bitten by a rattlesnake. Bear will piss all over Dave to put out the fire. Bear will have Dave drink a gallon of bottom shelf bourbon as fast as possible. When Dave passes out, Bear will make an icewater enema for Dave. Dave will be awaken by the sudden influx of icewater up his ass and break Bears nose with a rock. Realizing what he's done, Dave will release the icewater enema all over Bears face to reduce the swelling in his newly broken nose.
They both will then strip off all clothes and jump into a raging glacier fed river and float down stream for no apparent reason. Getting out of the water, they enter into an embrace that both seem to enjoy just a.... little ...too.... much.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Thanks mate :thumbup:

It's been a while since I have had as good a laugh from reading anything on the net :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Although your last sentence makes me think you've seen that Seinfeld episode

...... Getting out of the water, they enter into an embrace that both seem to enjoy just a.... little ...too.... much.......

If both are experienced in first aid like they should be, then they should have remembered th I in RICE.

Both should jump back into the glacier fed river to reduce the swelling




Kind regards
Mick

 

[The Ice Bear]

1. With all that manly power shaking he did he didn't cut very deep.

2. Rambo so did this 20 years ago with the help of the taliban

3. Wasn't it cute how he checked for a vein before he cut? I didn't know rocks and trees and wild animals checked for veins before they cut you.

I've followed Dave for a long time, his youtube vids were good. But either he's dumbing it down or discovery is cus while it's entertaining Dual Survival is pretty dull.

 

[SouthernCross]

OK guys, I've had my fun

Time to get serious :thumbup:

In the past, I have tried to stress the importance of "seeing what you are looking at" as a survival skill.

Since this was essentially ignored by the majority at the time, I'll try once more.

Have a real close look at the included video.

First up "Cody" waves his mora (that's been strapped to a branch) over the fire. I assume that's to give the "impression' to the ignorant that the blade is being sterilised?

For it to be sterilised, the edge would need to reach at least 110 degrees Celcius for at least 10 minutes.

Does anyone reckon that what they have seen indicates the blade has been heated to at least 110 C ?

Funy how "Cody" is able to handle the blade at that temp before handing it to "Dave".

Secondly, "Cody" reckons his Mora is "a very, very sharp knife".

Either "Cody" has no idea what a sharp knife is, or "Dave" doesn't know how to cut meat. For me it really is one or the other :thumbdn:

I noticed that "Dave" has something between the blade & his fingers before the cut. Is this sphagnum moss for its antibiotic properties? Or is it to give the "illusion" that the blade has been heated enough to be sterilised?

Have a close look at the lack of blood from a wound that is supposed to be severe enough to warrant cauterisation with gun powder :jerkit:

IMO, it would have stopped bleeding, way before the blood loss from it would have become a problem :thumbdn:

If "Cody" & "Dave" have access to natural material (i.e Sphagnum moss that is claimed to have antibiotic properties), then why in the hell didn't they simply put some spagnum moss over the self inflicted wound and strap it in place with a strip of material cut from their clothes to apply pressure?

Sorry guys, but I don't feel the need to protect the ego or reputation of either and am prepared to call bull$hit when I see it :thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn:




Kind regards
Mick

 

[EMT_Lee]

OK guys, I've had my fun

Time to get serious :thumbup:

In the past, I have tried to stress the importance of "seeing what you are looking at" as a survival skill.

Since this was essentially ignored by the majority at the time, I'll try once more.

Have a real close look at the included video.

First up "Cody" waves his mora (that's been strapped to a branch) over the fire. I assume that's to give the "impression' to the ignorant that the blade is being sterilised?

For it to be sterilised, the edge would need to reach at least 110 degrees Celcius for at least 10 minutes.

Does anyone reckon that what they have seen indicates the blade has been heated to at least 110 C ?

Funy how "Cody" is able to handle the blade at that temp before handing it to "Dave".

Secondly, "Cody" reckons his Mora is "a very, very sharp knife".

Either "Cody" has no idea what a sharp knife is, or "Dave" doesn't know how to cut meat. For me it really is one or the other :thumbdn:

I noticed that "Dave" has something between the blade & his fingers before the cut. Is this sphagnum moss for its antibiotic properties? Or is it to give the "illusion" that the blade has been heated enough to be sterilised?

Have a close look at the lack of blood from a wound that is supposed to be severe enough to warrant cauterisation with gun powder :jerkit:

IMO, it would have stopped bleeding, way before the blood loss from it would have become a problem :thumbdn:

If "Cody" & "Dave" have access to natural material (i.e Sphagnum moss that is claimed to have antibiotic properties), then why in the hell didn't they simply put some spagnum moss over the self inflicted wound and strap it in place with a strip of material cut from their clothes to apply pressure?

Sorry guys, but I don't feel the need to protect the ego or reputation of either and am prepared to call bull$hit when I see it :thumbdn::thumbdn::thumbdn:




Kind regards
Mick

Agreed. Pretty much everyone has agreed with you, with the exception of Bladerique. I've seen two, at least, NR EMT-P's say it was a very bad idea. But, most people have the common sense enough to avoid this type of behavior, to begin with.