English Boy Scout Knives

This is definitely interesting and I learned something new! I've always called these marlin spike knives or a riggers knife. Never heard the term scout knife or guide knife applied here. But, seems like these terms must be more traditional and date further back! Love the pictures, keep 'em coming!! 😁
 
My Dads knife from his Scouting Days in the 1940s...He belonged to a Troup based on the Players Cigarette factory in Nottingham where my Grandmother worked for years...I think at the time my Grandad was away in WW2..also afterwards...Im told the knife was given to him by an Uncle....who knows.? Im glad to have taken ownership from my Uncle...Dads younger brother.
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This is definitely interesting and I learned something new! I've always called these marlin spike knives or a riggers knife. Never heard the term scout knife or guide knife applied here. But, seems like these terms must be more traditional and date further back! Love the pictures, keep 'em coming!! 😁
The British have always liked marlin spikes on their military knives, and since the Boy Scouts never adopted an official pattern here, it may have been the cutlery firms themselves that produced one, already having the tooling, and the skills to make them. The most common term for this type of knife here was, and remains, 'clasp knife', even though they are not actually a clasp knife. Boy Scout Knife (Centre), with a British Army WW1 pattern (L), and a British Army WW2 pattern (R) :thumbsup:

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My Dads knife from his Scouting Days in the 1940s...He belonged to a Troup based on the Players Cigarette factory in Nottingham where my Grandmother worked for years...I think at the time my Grandad was away in WW2..also afterwards...Im told the knife was given to him by an Uncle....who knows.? Im glad to have taken ownership from my Uncle...Dads younger brother.
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That's a particularly nice example of the 'Scout Knives' we all carried as kids. Known as 'Whittle-Tang Bowies' in the trade, the Sheffield firms must have produced millions of them over the years. Here's a Maleham & Yeoman 'Scouts Woodcraft Knife' I gifted to John Maleham, of A. Wright & Son, a few years back.

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Cheers Jack...Receiving my Dads old knife is a real heirloom...Mamma Meakin worked in Players into the 1970s prior to the massive automation...and Horizon Factory...They could have as many fags as they could smoke...and guess what got them in the end ? ...Dad is 87...not a smoker...As a kid we visited the oldies often...They lived in a terrace 2 streets away from the factory...I can still smell the pervading thick stench of the tobacco ... the troup/pack was called The Players Dirty Firsts (or Fists).....clears the lungs and helps that annoying irritating coug😱
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Glenn, yes, German Scout knives are certainly more common than English ones. But I know you will find some good ones. :)

Thanks Lithicus, and the "Scout" models were always a bit smaller than the "Military" models.
Enclosed is a catalog illustration from a 1925 T. Turner catalog showing some good size comparisons of the English Military, Boy Scouts, and Girl Guide knives.

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My Dads knife from his Scouting Days in the 1940s...He belonged to a Troup based on the Players Cigarette factory in Nottingham where my Grandmother worked for years...I think at the time my Grandad was away in WW2..also afterwards...Im told the knife was given to him by an Uncle....who knows.? Im glad to have taken ownership from my Uncle...Dads younger brother.
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Meako, what a wonderful treasure from your Dad!!!
Wade & Butcher was certainly a high grade cutlery company and had one of my favorite trademark stamps.
 
The British have always liked marlin spikes on their military knives, and since the Boy Scouts never adopted an official pattern here, it may have been the cutlery firms themselves that produced one, already having the tooling, and the skills to make them. The most common term for this type of knife here was, and remains, 'clasp knife', even though they are not actually a clasp knife. Boy Scout Knife (Centre), with a British Army WW1 pattern (L), and a British Army WW2 pattern (R) :thumbsup:

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That's a particularly nice example of the 'Scout Knives' we all carried as kids. Known as 'Whittle-Tang Bowies' in the trade, the Sheffield firms must have produced millions of them over the years. Here's a Maleham & Yeoman 'Scouts Woodcraft Knife' I gifted to John Maleham, of A. Wright & Son, a few years back.

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Jack, nice group of Marlin spike models, and very cool "Scouts Woodcraft Knife".
 
Cheers Jack...Receiving my Dads old knife is a real heirloom...Mamma Meakin worked in Players into the 1970s prior to the massive automation...and Horizon Factory...They could have as many fags as they could smoke...and guess what got them in the end ? ...Dad is 87...not a smoker...As a kid we visited the oldies often...They lived in a terrace 2 streets away from the factory...I can still smell the pervading thick stench of the tobacco ... the troup/pack was called The Players Dirty Firsts (or Fists).....clears the lungs and helps that annoying irritating coug😱
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Yeah, definitely mate :cool: The Players building is still there, close to the city centre, my niece lives in Notts Jon :) :thumbsup:


My uncle was a sailor on the Bulwark, smoked 60-80 Navy Cut a day, for the rest of his short life :(
That's a nice older post WWII example by Richards as Jack mentioned.
Here are a couple of catalog illustrations from the 1950s and 1960s showing that model.

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I love those images my friend, really takes me back :) :thumbsup:
Jack, that's a great old model that must have seen many adventures over the years.
Thanks buddy, I'd say it's seen a few misadventures too! :eek: :D ;) :thumbsup:
Thanks I appreciate that,very interesting.
I miss seeing these things in corner shops and the like.
Such a feature of our childhoods :) I was offered some Richards knives in the market today, they're still common enough. A mate of mine, a former member here, saw a full Richards card on sale in another local market. Asked the guy to save it for him, while he went to the bank. When he went back, the guy handed him the knives, but said he'd binned the card as he didn't think he'd want it! :eek:
Glenn, yes, German Scout knives are certainly more common than English ones. But I know you will find some good ones. :)

Thanks Lithicus, and the "Scout" models were always a bit smaller than the "Military" models.
Enclosed is a catalog illustration from a 1925 T. Turner catalog showing some good size comparisons of the English Military, Boy Scouts, and Girl Guide knives.

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Very interesting to see that :cool: Interesting that they still had the Admiralty 301 Pattern in their catalogue in 1925 :thumbsup:

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Jack, nice group of Marlin spike models, and very cool "Scouts Woodcraft Knife".
Thanks pal :) Here's another Girl Guide Knife, made by Mount. Girl Guides carried the knives on a small sprung clip on one side of their belt, with a whistle carried on the other side :thumbsup:

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This is a great thread- one of my sub collections is Scout Knives - most I think are USA Knives - but this makes me feel the need to rediscover some parts.

I have in another section - large older folders or folding Hunters that are more so English- so a digging I shall go in the weekend 😊👍

I know I have a few old Sheffield Rope knives but with no Marlin Spike so I won’t post those, but from memory there is something there.

Thank you for sharing everyone- fantastic reading and viewing. 😊👍
 
I rather like this one. Interesting that it carries that stamp on the Mark side, possibly implying it was commissioned?

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What I like most about it though is the way it has been personalised. I hope Harry (Harriet) had a good life :)

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Glenn, yes, German Scout knives are certainly more common than English ones. But I know you will find some good ones. :)

Thanks Lithicus, and the "Scout" models were always a bit smaller than the "Military" models.
Enclosed is a catalog illustration from a 1925 T. Turner catalog showing some good size comparisons of the English Military, Boy Scouts, and Girl Guide knives.

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I wonder if the smaller knife here was intended for the British Boy Scouts?? It is 3 3/4" long, like the T.Turner above, and has horn handles!! Marked "Roberts" (arched) over "Holly St." over "Sheffield". Pile marked Made in England! No other mark were found!!
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Intersting, thanks for sharing! I've seen several knives in the fixed-blade pattern shown in the second pic on Ebay before, usually advertised as bowies. But I had no idea it was a boy scout model.
 
I love the owners identity on that Knife- he didn't want to loose that one did he Jack!
Definitely not, my friend! 😁 I suspect 'Harry' was actually a Girl Guide called Harriet though 😁👍
I wonder if the smaller knife here was intended for the British Boy Scouts?? It is 3 3/4" long, like the T.Turner above, and has horn handles!! Marked "Roberts" (arched) over "Holly St." over "Sheffield". Pile marked Made in England! No other mark were found!!
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Two great-looking knives Charlie. I don't think there were ever official British Boy Scout patterns, but you know those Sheffield cutlers were never slow to miss an opportunity, and the Boy Scout movement absolutely exploded 👍
Those are gorgeous Charlie, along with Jacks earlier Marlin Spike Stag example he has posted as well.
Thanks pal, that knife has seen a hard life, I'm afraid 👍
Intersting, thanks for sharing! I've seen several knives in the fixed-blade pattern shown in the second pic on Ebay before, usually advertised as bowies. But I had no idea it was a boy scout model.
While they were known as Scout Knives, and carried by a great many Scouts, they were never officially adopted by the Boy Scouts, whose eventual official position discouraged the carrying of fixed-blade knives. The knives are one of the Sheffield 'Town Patterns', and sometimes called 'Town Pattern Bowies', as well as 'Whittle-tang Bowies'.

Strangely, in Scouting for Boys, Baden-Powell doesn't mention knives at all, while The Girl Guide book mentions them several times, and shows them in use.
 
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