Entering a no-knife area.

[pbonanza]

YOU HOPE !!! If we actually knew when we were going to need it, we would all be wealthy people.

where I live is a small seaside town in the area with the country's lowest crime rate. I have absolutely no need to carry a weapon for self defence. my fists or my legs will perform fight or flight quite adequately.

 

[HeavyHanded]

As many (all?) of you, I've been EDCing a knife for a while.
What do you guys do when going to a place where there is a patdown? (night clubs and bars mostly).
Do you not carry any knives that night? leave it in your car? hide it in your girlfriends purse?

While I know that I can explain why I carry a knife, I probably wont gain entry to any place where they perform a patdown.



I'm still new to this forum, I hope I put this in the right place.

I can honestly say that I don't know what I'd do if I realized at the last minute that I was going to be patted down on the way into a club. I'd probably ask the man at the door if I could check my knife with him, make sure at least one other door guy and my old lady witnessed it changing hands, and get it on the way back out. If he said "no go" I'd walk it back the car.
Years ago I went to a show at a club that hosted a lot of different musical genre's. Was accompanying my wife and her best friend. Packed my .38 cross-draw and headed out the door. When we got to the club I walked right through with the two of them and the door crew, which was doing some halfhearted pat-downs, didn't give me a second glance. It's legal to CC in a bar in NYS, no one told me I couldn't, so I didn't give it any more thought. If I'd gotten popped I would have shown him my carry permit and walked it back to the car (assuming I was still welcome). Have a friend that lived in rural NC for a few years, told me it was not uncommon to see people checking hardware at the door and retrieving it on the way out (especially ladies). I imagine every door man is going to react a little differently.

HH

 

[ubuwalker31]

What do you guys do when going to a place where {knives are prohibited}?

Fixed that for you. You have five choices with various levels of risk:

1) Ignore the prohibition and risk getting kicked out of the venue and having your knife confiscated.

2) Sneak the knife in by circumventing the security procedures and risk the embarrassment of getting caught.

Options 1 and 2 are morally hazardousness and potentially have huge legal implications, both criminal and civil.

3) Leave your knife at home or in your car if you know in advance.

This option is decent because it avoids a lot of the hassle of the other choices. But you sacrifice a tool.

4) Refuse to be patted down or refuse to submit to the security procedure.

This one takes balls, and you have every right to refuse to be searched in an intrusive manner. This works for police checkpoints in subways as well as private venues. You will be refused admission to the venue and you will have to turn around. This gives you an opportunity to place the knife back at your office, car, or home...or if you can make a quick trip to the post office...allows you to mail your knife back home to you so you can get on a train.

5) Take the knife out of your pocket and ask the security guard to safe keep it.

I went to a place of worship with very high security in NYC that, unknown to me at the time, was under a credible threat of being bombed by genuine terrorists. An off duty police officer was the security guard who ran the metal detector. I literally walked over to the guard, handed him my knife, and asked him to look after it while I was in temple. He looked at me like I handed him a hand grenade...then shrugged his shoulders, wrapped it in a napkin, and placed it in his desk. I got it back on my way out. Easy. My wife and in-laws were horrified.

Pat down? Is this Russia? Lol - there are plenty of other places to go, I'd say. If they want to violate my 4th Amendment protections, they get none of my cash.

Of course, a private business can't violate your right against unreasonable search and seizure because this right only applies against the government, not private people or entities.

[H]owever, local theaters are starting to search women's purses under the guise of checking for weapons. They're really just checking for people bringing in their own drinks or snacks.

Screw that. Have your ladyfriend's tell them that their pocketbooks are private and that you want a refund for your tickets.

Unreasonable searches by private businesses are a huge problem and you shouldn't submit to them on the general principal that coerced touching of your body or property amounts to a form of unwanted touching...a battery...even if you grant them reluctant permission.

A private business can't detain you if you refuse to submit to a search unless they really believe you have stolen something. I refuse to submit my receipt when I leave a Costco if there is a huge line. I already bought my groceries, and they belong to me, and the only way they can stop me is if they have actual reason to believe that I stole a giant package of Bounty. Sure they could take away my Costco card, but they can't actually arrest me.

That's my two cents.

 

[oldanvilyoungsmith]

Whats really annoying about this kind of stuff is when it's not even a knife that you can't carry. I made this necklace that I wear all the time,

recently I was talking to a security guard at a store, and he was asking me about it. After he looked at it he warned me that if I ever had to go to the courthouse or a place like that it would be confiscated if I wore it. Apparently the fact that it looks (vaguely) like a knife, means I can't wear it to places like that. It's nowhere near sharp and the tip is rounded off. But it looks dangerous! and that's what matters.

 

[skyhorse]

If they are doing pat downs,that's a clue.You're in the wrong Bar!