Ganzo G704: The Little POS That Could (lots of pics)

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A while ago I bought a bunch of cheap chinese knives from manufacturers like Enlan, Sanrenmu, and Ganzo, just to try them out. I kind of picked four at random and ordered them. Most of them ended up being exactly what I paid for - Cheap junk. The Ganzo G704, however, has proven itself to be a shockingly well made little chunk of steel.

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It cost all of $14 from a seller on Ebay, or slightly less than the cost of a 3D movie ticket here. It's basically a knockoff of the now discontinued HK 14205, with an Axis lock, G10 scales over full steel liners, and a 440c blade. When I got it out of the box, I was pretty surprised by how well put together it was - the scales were quite flush, the blade had absolutely no up-and down play (only a tiny bit of side-to-side), the action was very smooth, and the knife was quite comfortable to hold and use. It only came about Benchmade-sharp out of the box, but it took an edge quite readily and has held that edge very well indeed. I was a little suspicious about the '440c' stamp at first, but having put it through its paces I have absolutely no trouble believing it.

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I decided to see what this thing was capable of, so I decided to throw as much use and abuse as I could at it this month with as little maintenance as possible to keep it functioning. I didn't clean it, take it apart, tighten anything, or baby it in any way. The only maintenance it's had since I bought it consisted of three drops of Hoppe's gun oil in the mechanism and two sharpenings (one right when I got it, one after the first of two long camping trips). So far it's spent 20 days in the woods on camping trips - two 10-day stretches, one at the start of the month, and one that finished just a couple days ago - as well as lots of around-the-house use. It has whittled, opened food packaging, chopped wood, pried, been submerged in swamp water and sweat for 20 full days, cut wire, opened sandbags, and a whole lot more.

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It is grimy as all hell and dull as a butter knife from its contact with rocks and metal, but it has held up extremely well. After the chopping and prying, I noticed a bit more side-to-side blade play and a tiny bit of up-and-down play developing, but it still has less blade play than any other axis lock I've seen (including 150$+ Benchmades). Even the pocket clip doesn't show much wear - it's blued or parkerized or something like that instead of just painted like a lot of manufacturers' clips. The one problem I've had with it (and the reason I had to add three drops of gun oil to the mechanism) is that, after spending such a long period of time soaking wet, the axis lock Omega springs started to rust like crazy. Most of the brown gunk in the photos is just really fine dust that's worked itself into the nooks and crannies, but the area where the omega springs wrap around the lock bar has a decent coat of rust on it under all that. That's not too big a deal - the rust first developed a couple weeks ago and it's not affected the knife's performance at all.

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This unassuming little Chinese piece-of-junk has proven itself in my eyes to be a hell of a good knife. For my money, the mechanism on this particular Ganzo has been executed much better than most of those I've seen in U.S.A. made Benchmades. I have said it before, but I highly doubt that a better knife exists for 14$. IMHO, this has got to be the best budget knife that exists for folks who want a single-blade 'tactical' style knife. :thumbup:
 
I'm more of a fixed blade guy . But that IS a great review . :thumbup:


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HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS !
 
I'm more of a fixed blade guy . But that IS a great review . :thumbup:


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HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS !


No doubt the "China knockoff firestorm" is coming, but that should take nothing away from the the fact that that was a thorough and objectively written review.
 
No doubt the "China knockoff firestorm" is coming, but that should take nothing away from the the fact that that was a thorough and objectively written review.

I agree, great review, but prepare for the sh*t storm...

I do disagree with one thing though. You said it developed a little side to side and up and down blade play, yet it has less blade play than any axis lock you've seen including $150+ Benchmades. I just have a hard time believing that. I own/have owned many axis lock benchmades and can say with utter confidence that properly adjusted, not a single one has ANY blade blay in any direction. Sure you could loosen them up and get some side to side wiggle, but properly tightened they are all solid as a rock.
 
It was might just your luck happen to have a good copy. The Ganzo G710 I bought a couple months ago is a serious piece of junk. The blade had almost 1/3 of metal grounded off, and is a blade-play monster, the G10 is no where close to BM950's by a long shot. On the other hand, Enland EL04 is surprisingly good for $12. It's just no way to set expectation on a handful piece of examples when there's no consistency to begin with.
 
I agree, great review, but prepare for the sh*t storm...

I do disagree with one thing though. You said it developed a little side to side and up and down blade play, yet it has less blade play than any axis lock you've seen including $150+ Benchmades. I just have a hard time believing that. I own/have owned many axis lock benchmades and can say with utter confidence that properly adjusted, not a single one has ANY blade blay in any direction. Sure you could loosen them up and get some side to side wiggle, but properly tightened they are all solid as a rock.

See, I've heard many people say that about Benchmades, but every time I hear it, it seems very odd to me. I've been trying to figure out why I've handled so many Benchmades with blade play, while other folks have, in the past, claimed to have never seen a Benchmade with blade play. I have literally never seen a Benchmade, or rather a Benchmade Axis Lock specifically, that didn't have blade play - I saw a griptilian in a store once that had almost no up and down blade play and only an average amount of side-to-side play, but that's about as good as I've seen. I don't doubt that lots of folks consider their BMs to be free of blade play, though - what I think it comes down to is a disparity in personal standards. I'm sure it's more than likely that when one person picks up a knife and tests it for blade play, he's probably checking it differently than the next person (torquing it harder, holding it a different way, etc.), so one person might find blade play where the next person might not. I suspect that, in some cases where people claim that their knives are free of play, I could find play where they could not. It's just a theory.

The first axis lock I bought, a Presidio, had tons of blade play in every direction that couldn't be fixed. When I sent it back to the store, the store owners told me that literally every other Presidio in their inventory had an equal (or greater) amount of play in the blade. I had a bunch of shenanigans with that knife and ended up getting rid of it. Recently, I found another one on a closeout from a different store and bought it on the cheap. It has quite a bit of up and down blade play, and so much side-to-side play that if you open it, hold the blade in your hand, and shake it like a Maraca, it makes a gentle rattling noise as the blade knocks back and forth between the liners. :eek: I could tighten it up, but if I tighten it any more than I already have the blade will become really difficult to open and close. It has quite noticeable up-and-down play to boot. The blade is also way off-centre and the scales aren't flush with the liners at all - all of this on a knife with a nearly 200$ MSRP. I paid less than half price for this second one so this blade play doesn't bother me so much, but still, it's clearly not an isolated incident.
 
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And I am in the same boat . . . I don't own any anymore either . . .



See, I've heard many people say that about Benchmades, but every time I hear it, it seems very odd to me. I've been trying to figure out why I've handled so many Benchmades with blade play, while other folks have, in the past, claimed to have never seen a Benchmade with blade play. I have literally never seen a Benchmade, or rather a Benchmade Axis Lock specifically, that didn't have blade play - I saw a griptilian in a store once that had almost no up and down blade play and only an average amount of side-to-side play, but that's about as good as I've seen. I don't doubt that lots of folks consider their BMs to be free of blade play, though - what I think it comes down to is a disparity in personal standards. I'm sure it's more than likely that when one person picks up a knife and tests it for blade play, he's probably checking it differently than the next person (torquing it harder, holding it a different way, etc.), so one person might find blade play where the next person might not. I suspect that, in some cases where people claim that their knives are free of play, I could find play where they could not. It's just a theory.

The first axis lock I bought, a Presidio, had tons of blade play in every direction that couldn't be fixed. When I sent it back to the store, the store owners told me that literally every other Presidio in their inventory had an equal (or greater) amount of play in the blade. I had a bunch of shenanigans with that knife and ended up getting rid of it. Recently, I found another one on a closeout from a different store and bought it on the cheap. It has quite a bit of up and down blade play, and so much side-to-side play that if you open it, hold the blade in your hand, and shake it like a Maraca, it makes a gentle rattling noise as the blade knocks back and forth between the liners. :eek: I could tighten it up, but if I tighten it any more than I already have the blade will become really difficult to open and close. It has quite noticeable up-and-down play to boot. The blade is also way off-centre and the scales aren't flush with the liners at all - all of this on a knife with a nearly 200$ MSRP. I paid less than half price for this second one so this blade play doesn't bother me so much, but still, it's clearly not an isolated incident.
 
And I am in the same boat . . . I don't own any anymore either . . .

How odd.. .I have two axis locks at the moment and neither has any blade play with reasonable forces applied... (That is to say as much as I'm willing to apply by hand with out fear of slipping an cutting myself.)

A properly executed axis lock should be self adjusting to eliminate play.
 
How odd.. .I have two axis locks at the moment and neither has any blade play with reasonable forces applied... (That is to say as much as I'm willing to apply by hand with out fear of slipping an cutting myself.)

A properly executed axis lock should be self adjusting to eliminate play.

No amount of self adjustment will fix lateral blade play. You're thinking of vertical play.

For what it's worth, I've owned 20+ axis locks in my time. I'd say less than 5 of them were solid. You could adjust the play out of the others, but then it took two hands to open them, because they got so tight. Put a bad taste in my mouth.
 
Are you sure you had REAL benchmades? I ask because you talk of buying a lot of cheapo evilbay blades. Did you get them from a reliable source? I own 4, all of which I would dare anyone to find vertical play, side to side is subjective but audible rattling? You're saying there was no point in between an audible rattle of the blade and being too tight to properly function as a one hand opener? I call shenanagins!
 
The only one I ever saw with vertical play was a Bedlam, and that was only if it wasn't opened hard.
Every single other one I've had or held was solid.
Perhaps the knife gods just favour me...
 
Good, objective review. Looks like a nice little knife, shame that it is a complete knockoff. I know its been mentioned many times, if these Chinese companies could put out their own designs, they'd have a far and away better reputation. They obviously have the capability of putting out nice knives, as evident above.
 
Are you sure you had REAL benchmades? I ask because you talk of buying a lot of cheapo evilbay blades. Did you get them from a reliable source? I own 4, all of which I would dare anyone to find vertical play, side to side is subjective but audible rattling? You're saying there was no point in between an audible rattle of the blade and being too tight to properly function as a one hand opener? I call shenanagins!

Let me put it this way: When I sent the blades back to Benchmade (the people who made them), THEY recognized them as genuine Benchmades and serviced them.

So, unless they were fakes made so convincing as to fool the makers of the genuine article, I'd say they were real. ;)

As to the blade play, basically if I want to be able to operate the axis lock smoothly and comfortably (which, to me and many other users, is one of the main draws of the axis lock, as seen in the video below) I have to loosen the pivot to the point where there is quite pronounced (by my standards) blade play. Otherwise, the action becomes quite stiff and sluggish. Do keep in mind, when I talk about the audible rattling, I don't mean it sounds like friggin' Cuban Pete in my living room - it is very faint, but definitely there.

[video=youtube_share;9y6AKZsApqo]http://youtu.be/9y6AKZsApqo[/video]

Maybe it has to break-in a bit or something before the action becomes sufficiently smooth - it is still a very new knife.
 
Maybe it has to break-in a bit or something before the action becomes sufficiently smooth - it is still a very new knife.

You're right on that to some extent. Axis locks, like most other folders, do have a break in period, after which the action is smoother at a higher pivot tightness. I usually loosen a new axis lock knife to the point where the blade swings freely with the lock disengaged. Usually the here is a very small bit of side to side play while holding the tip at this point. I use and play with the knife in that state for a week or two (usually literally 500-1000) openings and closings. After that, once the washers have settled, I find that you can very carefully tune out of side to side play on almost all axis lock benchmades while still allowing the blade to swing freely. Mind you, this adjustment amounts to literally 1/100th of a turn of the pivot screw. The tolerances are pretty tight on most axis lock knives, so they are pretty sensitive to even the slightest adjustment.
 
I just checked nine of my Axis Locks and they all seem solid for lateral blade play to me. Are you sure that you guys aren't using a cheater bar for your tests?
 
To the OP, great post and review, thanks for sharing it with us.
I have a few of these Ganzos, brought to me by my brother in China when he came home for a visit. My only beef with them is that the three clip screws go only into the G10, and the liners aren't tapped for them like they are on the original BM HK14205.
 
From my experience, Sanrenmu and Enlan have better consistency than Navy. Never biught a Ganzo so I can't comment.

Navy steel is softer in general than Sanrenmu or Enlan. My personal conclusion is that company that produces more copies than their own design tend to cheat more on steel (440C might be 7Cr for Navy, not sure what Ganzo is, perhaps 9Cr from your description). Sanrenmu and Enlan are more honest, labelling the steel as it is (8Cr is on majority of them, some has 9Cr).
 
I just checked nine of my Axis Locks and they all seem solid for lateral blade play to me. Are you sure that you guys aren't using a cheater bar for your tests?

What Dorito fails to mention is that the extent of his Benchmade history is 2 Presidios and an Alias, which supposedly were all terrible with bladeplay even after servicing by BM.

Here are a couple Ganzos I fished out of my junk knife box. One has bladeplay in all 4 ways that can't be tightened out and easily rubs liners on both sides. The other came with a bent liner. Those are the major problems on them, but there are fit and finish issues all over the place.

I've also handled others and they all had some kind of fit and finish issues, ones the owners never knew/saw/care about because people who accept these knives as comparable to the real thing aren't exactly the discerning type.


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Strange about the Benchmade axis locks. That hasn't been my experience with them at all, and this is the first I'm hearing people complain about all axis locks having play. Makes me wonder what you guys are doing to your knives...
 
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