Ganzo knives any good?

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Scrim said:
I took some lockbar pressure off my Southard (plus clean & lube) and it now flips really nicely. I've tried everything I can think of with my Advocate and it still doesn't feel like a bearing flipper should. I have quite a few flippers on washers that are still a lot smoother than I can get my Advocate. It did smooth out over time and lost that gritty feeling from ball bearings peening the paper thin steel washers. So that did get better...with lots of effort. But there's just something off about the milling in the pockets combined with the washers and bearings Spyderco employed on this knife that just doesn't feel like what you'd expect a $227, ball bearing flipper to feel like (yep, even with reduced lockbar tension). The materials and the rest of the design is so nice I'm keeping the knife, but it'll never be even close to a free dropper (that you can then dial back some if desired) unfortunately. Back to the Ganzo G752 (in my photo), it puts a lot of $100, $200 & up flippers to shame re: it's action, via flipper or thumb stud.
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I find they use a tremendous amount of lockbar pressure which covers up any bearing they are going to use. I did as you did with my southward and reduced the lockbar pressure. But unfortunately on my knife reducing the pressure by any amount made the lock fail with just slight pressure applied to the spine. I don't spinewhack but if I can fold the knife without touching the lock then I'm not happy with that.
 
PURPLEDC said:
I find they use a tremendous amount of lockbar pressure which covers up any bearing they are going to use. I did as you did with my southward and reduced the lockbar pressure. But unfortunately on my knife reducing the pressure by any amount made the lock fail with just slight pressure applied to the spine. I don't spinewhack but if I can fold the knife without touching the lock then I'm not happy with that.
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I agree. It's a delicate dance that doesn't always work.;)
 
In answer to the thread's title: "Ganzo knives any good?"

No, they are junk.
 
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Ratman79 said:
In answer the thread's title: "Ganzo knives any good?"

No, they are junk.
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I hate to say it as I normally like to find good value brands but I agree. The steel on one of my autos is way too soft. And I forgot that my other ganzo was kinda a piece of crap too. I remember it had what I thought was (and was advertised as) a bead blasted blade. Well I noticed some corrosion starting on the blade and used some flitz on it and it went to hell from there. Now some may not know but flitz is a polish but its a chemical polish. The company claims it has no abrasives in it. Well whatever they did to make the blade have a matte finish it was just a coating as the flitz revealed the satin grind lines underneath and the matte finish was completely gone. And on that knife with the soft steel I sharpened it back and its still crap. Cant defend them anymore.
 
The lionsteel tactical operation lock and the sog arc lock are axis lock ripoffs and I never read any outrage over those. Taking someone else's work and scaling it up or down or otherwise changing it 10%-20% to comply with patent laws for Amazon is pretty shitty r&d imo but the same is likely true of most any car, gun, computer or phone you are using.


NorthernSouthpaw said:
Lame excuse! If you can afford a Ganzo. You can afford a Kershaw. There is a difference between being a value shopper, and a cheapskate who refuses to pay the proper amount for a legit product.
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A us made kershaw is what, 30 bux minimum, more like 50 bucks in sandvik....meanwhile there are kershaw branded 8cr knives for sale as "authentic y-start" on wholesale sites for around 15.

I like us made stuffs too duder I wear pf flyers and have a Ford truck with a harvester engine...and love my leeks, USA Schrade old timers, kbar crovans and dexter russel work knives I purchase rather than the victorinox provided.

All that being said I have a few ganzo's on the way....and some sanrenmus and a couple of ystarts just out of curiosity. Supposedly the srm is in sandvik, the ganzos in 440c and the y-starts in "d2" lol if they hold up as well as my $30 Gerber remix in 8cr I will call it good.

To the op, let ya know in a few weeks.
 
RebelSon said:
The lionsteel tactical operation lock and the sog arc lock are axis lock ripoffs and I never read any outrage over those. Taking someone else's work and scaling it up or down or otherwise changing it 10%-20% to comply with patent laws for Amazon is pretty shitty r&d imo but the same is likely true of most any car, gun, computer or phone you are using.



A us made kershaw is what, 30 bux minimum, more like 50 bucks in sandvik....meanwhile there are kershaw branded 8cr knives for sale as "authentic y-start" on wholesale sites for around 15.

I like us made stuffs too duder I wear pf flyers and have a Ford truck with a harvester engine...and love my leeks, USA Schrade old timers, kbar crovans and dexter russel work knives I purchase rather than the victorinox provided.

All that being said I have a few ganzo's on the way....and some sanrenmus and a couple of ystarts just out of curiosity. Supposedly the srm is in sandvik, the ganzos in 440c and the y-starts in "d2" lol if they hold up as well as my $30 Gerber remix in 8cr I will call it good.

To the op, let ya know in a few weeks.
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Please don't let us know. Ganzo are not welcome here.
 
Mo2 said:
Please don't let us know. Ganzo are not welcome here.
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So in this open thread titled "ganzo knives any good" i am not welcome to share my opinion of a ganzo I ordered out of curiosity says You?
NorthernSouthpaw said:
You can get a REAL Kershaw Injection for under fifteen bucks. As well as.... ugh.... Why the hell am I responding to this!?!?
It's even a necro thread!!

You sir, Are unworthy!
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So I can get a linerlock 8cr folder for 15 bucks you say and it has kershaw stamped on it? How about axis lock folders in the 15 Fed reserve note range, any suggestions you could give me if I made a thread about under $20 knives where you would be on topic?
 
RebelSon said:
So in this open thread titled "ganzo knives any good" i am not welcome to share my opinion of a ganzo I ordered out of curiosity says You?


So I can get a linerlock 8cr folder for 15 bucks you say and it has kershaw stamped on it? How about axis lock folders in the 15 Fed reserve note range, any suggestions you could give me if I made a thread about under $20 knives where you would be on topic?
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A guy I worked with bought these ganzo knives, had a similar mind set as yourself. The "axis" locks were ridiculously stiff, and the edges dulled incredibly quick. I wouldn't trust a dishonest company to be truthful about their blade steel or put forth effort to do a solid heat treat. Kershaw has some excellent usa made knives in the $30-60 range. They make a product you can trust and they stand behind What they make. If you need absolute bang for buck two sun knives makes some ti framelocks in the $60 range and they dont appear to be cloners.
 
stonproject said:
A guy I worked with bought these ganzo knives, had a similar mind set as yourself. The "axis" locks were ridiculously stiff, and the edges dulled incredibly quick. I wouldn't trust a dishonest company to be truthful about their blade steel or put forth effort to do a solid heat treat. Kershaw has some excellent usa made knives in the $30-60 range. They make a product you can trust and they stand behind What they make. If you need absolute bang for buck two sun knives makes some ti framelocks in the $60 range and they dont appear to be cloners.
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Bo I hear ya. I have some nice knives. I have some nice sharpening equipment. I have no debt and a good job. I know what kershaw has in the 30-60 range because I have them. Skyline is my favorite in that range. That's not what this is about though, is it? It's about are ganzos any good or not, so I ordered a couple. I ordered some srms in sandvik for $15 dude and some random internet Ivan who doesn't know the difference between cash and credits says I could have bought a "good" knife for all those combined.

LOL!

So your buddy got some stiff locks and some craptastic heat treat on his ganzos? I'm willing to bend omega springs and lay the blade flat on a course crystolon im313 bench stone to change the geometry. After that if they end up being junk I will say they're junk. No love lost by me that's for sure.

I will concede that "good" could mean ethical, in fact I already did. What I am doing is finding out if the quality is any "good".
Like my microtech scarab is a superb knife and I love it. But my lightning otf is a good knife for opening and breaking down boxes, bags of mulch, perlite, manure and cutting string and straps off pine straw and string for weed eaters and shit all day at work.

Fair enough?

And how about that kershaw injection suggestion which is made in China. Which Chinese factory makes it, anyone? They seem to be branding them as ystarts as well so all anyone can really say is that by buying a Chinese made kershaw they are merely gesturing towards not supporting any knock offs...
 
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RebelSon said:
Bo I hear ya. I have some nice knives. I have some nice sharpening equipment. I have no debt and a good job. I know what kershaw has in the 30-60 range because I have them. Skyline is my favorite in that range. That's not what this is about though, is it? It's about are ganzos any good or not, so I ordered a couple. I ordered some srms in sandvik for $15 dude and some random internet Ivan who doesn't know the difference between cash and credits says I could have bought a "good" knife for all those combined.

LOL!

I will concede that "good" could mean ethical, in fact I already did. What I am doing is finding out if the quality is any "good".
Like my microtech scarab is a superb knife and I love it. But my lightning otf is a good knife for opening and breaking down boxes, bags of mulch, perlite, manure and cutting string and straps off pine straw and string for weed eaters and shit all day at work.

Fair enough?

And how about that kershaw injection suggestion which is made in China. Which Chinese factory makes it, anyone? They seem to be branding them as ystarts as well.
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All I can say is buy what you like, and know your audience. Clones and counterfeits are frowned upon here, especially resurrecting a thread about clones and counterfeits, and coming off half cocked at other members and insulting them.
 
RebelSon said:
The lionsteel tactical operation lock and the sog arc lock are axis lock ripoffs and I never read any outrage over those. Taking someone else's work and scaling it up or down or otherwise changing it 10%-20% to comply with patent laws for Amazon is pretty shitty r&d imo but the same is likely true of most any car, gun, computer or phone you are using.



A us made kershaw is what, 30 bux minimum, more like 50 bucks in sandvik....meanwhile there are kershaw branded 8cr knives for sale as "authentic y-start" on wholesale sites for around 15.

I like us made stuffs too duder I wear pf flyers and have a Ford truck with a harvester engine...and love my leeks, USA Schrade old timers, kbar crovans and dexter russel work knives I purchase rather than the victorinox provided.

All that being said I have a few ganzo's on the way....and some sanrenmus and a couple of ystarts just out of curiosity. Supposedly the srm is in sandvik, the ganzos in 440c and the y-starts in "d2" lol if they hold up as well as my $30 Gerber remix in 8cr I will call it good.

To the op, let ya know in a few weeks.
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Holy thread Necro Batman!

Two things:

I'm not super familiar with the Tactical Operation Lock from Lionsteel and I'm only slightly familiar with the SOG Arc Lock, but from the roughly 5 minutes of research I did on the Lionsteel lock (which, coincidentally brought up several threads from this site discussing the lock in comparison with Benchmade's Axis Lock), it seems safe to say that neither are a direct copy of the Axis Lock, even though the Arc Lock may be similar in function/use to the Axis Lock. This is because in the case of both companies, they decided to respect Benchmade's since expired patent concerning the Axis Lock and make their own workarounds which didn't infringe (again, to my knowledge) on the Axis Lock patent. Unlike Ganzo who clearly copied the lock as is and decided to drop it into a variety of "their own" models. :thumbsdown:

Secondly, clones and counterfeits are not a topic which is open for positive conversation (as per the site rules iirc). Many members on here take offence to them being brought up in a positive light for this really simple reason - their existance hurts the hobby that we all claim to enjoy, so why would anyone support them verbally or (especially) monetarily?

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stonproject said:
All I can say is buy what you like, and know your audience. Clones and counterfeits are frowned upon here, especially resurrecting a thread about clones and counterfeits, and coming off half cocked at other members and insulting them.
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My first post was #66. There were no insults. Post 67 says that I sir, am unworthy.

Which is an insult.

Post 68 says please don't share a review of the thread topic.

Which is an insult.

So there you have it. I came in very respectful and polite. I will continue to do so if you don't mind despite your accusations otherwise. Thanks for the heads up on the stiff locks and edge retention though, much obliged.
 
Chariotz4 said:
Holy thread Necro Batman!

Two things:

I'm not super familiar with the Tactical Operation Lock from Lionsteel and I'm only slightly familiar with the SOG Arc Lock, but from the roughly 5 minutes of research I did on the Lionsteel lock (which, coincidentally brought up several threads from this site discussing the lock in comparison with Benchmade's Axis Lock), it seems safe to say that neither are a direct copy of the Axis Lock, even though the Arc Lock may be similar in function/use to the Axis Lock. This is because in the case of both companies, they decided to respect Benchmade's since expired patent concerning the Axis Lock and make their own workarounds which didn't infringe (again, to my knowledge) on the Axis Lock patent. Unlike Ganzo who clearly copied the lock as is and decided to drop it into a variety of "their own" models. :thumbsdown:

Secondly, clones and counterfeits are not a topic which is open for positive conversation as per the site rules. Really simple - their existance hurts the hobby that we all claim to enjoy, so why would anyone support them verbally or (especially) monetarily?
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Thanks for the lock info. So the patent is expired then? So it's like taking a generic prescription drug then....or would that be cheap knockoff counterfeit clone medication?

If the site doesn't allow discussion of ganzos then oh well, no love lost for me, that's for sure. Is that the case though? Why is this thread open and we are posting in it right now? Can we cuss and shit here? Afaik I didn't buy any clones or counterfeits. I bought off Amazon and the slow boat if significantly cheaper of wtf ever I was looking at on amazon. So no patent infringements I can see but I'm no lawyer. If you are then you should sue amazon and include me because I just copyrighted the lawsuit by mailing the idea to myself:D

I mentioned I had a Gerber remix earlier. It's made in China. Do you know which factory made it so I can be sure they are not selling them unbranded or rebranded where it may be the case that i bought the gerber actually monetarily supported clones unwittingly? Would that even be a clone truly since the same factory made it?
 
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Ganzo's are legal despite if they copied patents. They might even be in major outdoor sporting good stores.

They sell them on amazon and many other legit retailers. Not sure how you can ban a discussion on a legally sold knife.

Major Internet shopping sites, such as Amazon.com, ebay.com, and Alibaba.com, provide complaint pages where listings of counterfeit goods can be reported. The reporter must show that it owns the intellectual property (e.g. trademark, patent, copyright) being presented on the counterfeit listings. The shopping site will then do an internal investigation and if it agrees, it will take the counterfeit listing down.
 
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