Gore tex in boots, a good idea but...............

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Over the years I have tried several types of boots with a gore tex membrane. A pair of waterproof boots with good walking comfort seemed like a "must have" item.
Nevertheless, coming with a warranty or not.
My best pair held the water out for six months.
One pair gave up after only three weeks.
These were all quite expensive boots. They were all from different manufacturers in the US and Europe, some in the hunting category and some meant for mountain walking.
I finally ended up with thick leather boots with no membrane at all. They work well enough in wet conditions, and are perfect used with a pair of Rocky gore tex socks.
If the socks give in, I just buy new ones.
All boots have been used in all types of terrain,(at least in my part of the world),with or without a heavy backpack.

Any of you guys having the same experience?
Or even better, anyone with another experience?
 
I have a pair of Danner Ft Lewis that I wore day in and out for 6 months, and then off an on for 4 months, and am back to full time.

They are still fine.

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I have a pair of leather Salomons with a Gore Tex membrane I bought for a multiday trek in the winter. My brother recommended I apply Sno Seal, despite the Gore Tex. After tromping across mud and streams, I'm glad I did.

IMHO, Gore Tex or not, one should buy leather and Sno Seal it.

Whatever brand one decides on, it should be something you've tried on in the store and walked a few laps around the store. The toe box from different makers fits different peoples feet in different ways. Whatever brand one settles on, and there's plenty of good ones, get what fits the feet.


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Ken Grubb
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My best results have come from wearing Gore Tex socks in regular boots. Jungle boots mostly, my feet stay dry and the bootd dry out quick. Heavy socks under the Gore Tex socks in jungle boots keep the feet warm in the snow,
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When the socks wear out I replace them, instead of the boots.

My two cents

Dan

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where's a good source of goretex socks for size 13 feet?

I was shopping for new boots recently, and very few had leather 'on the inside'. the vast majority had a goretex or fabric liner.

 
I have a cheap pair of wolverines that have lasted me about 2 years.I wear them about 12 times a year.They are gortex lined and havn`t failed YET.My daily wear is a pair of chippewa loggers "spelling" treated with a mixture of mink oil and bees wax.One treatment a year keeps my feet dry.
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leather is all i like.im not into that fancy gore tex stuff.
my dad's company required that he wear steel toe boots,and every year they would buy him a pair.he gave em to me.i have two pairs that will never get thrown away.one pair is less comfortable that the other,but they take anything.
BTW-these are made by hy-test and retail for less than 100 bucks a pair.very nice boots.
 
UK hills are very very wet.....
For summer use I have a pair of Trezeta Goretex fabric boots,they need to be treated regularly with prooting mix but are pretty good unless it is ridiculously wet in which case they will eventually leak.
In colder weather then leather is the way to go,again treated regularly and with supergaiters.
The problem with Goretex is that is cannot perform miracles,in constantly wet use the abrasion of a fabric surface will soak in water which reduces the gradient in/out of the membrane so you will get damp from sweat.It is however (IMO) a good thing in lightweight boots.
 
Goretex works best when it can transfer water vapour, sweat, from a warm steamy inside to a cold dry airy outside. That's why you see the advertisements with Artic explorers, because thats where it works best.

Goretex struggles when it is wet inside and out with little temperature difference or wind factor. If the outside is immersed in water the system stops functioning. It can even work the otherway, especially over a prolonged period of saturation, because both sides of the membrane are at the same temperature. What it will stop is water gushing through, so giving a workable time of use without your feet being overly wet. Add a dry sock regime and you can keep your feet on the dryer side of life. Goretex also punctures badly, a pin hole turns rapidly into a big hole, and so needs all the protection you can give it. I don't give Goretex a lifespan of more than three years and thats for something you are paying through the nose for.

Britain is seriousely wet and warm or cold. Goretex gets a rough ride here and there are as many who deride it as love it. A treated leather boot with a membrane and steel shank works quite well. The other option is a wellington boot. However, the comfort of wearing a pair of walking boots that fit comes first and the fact that they can keep the water out for a good length of time comes second.

I have Matterhorn for the hill, medium weight. Just bought a pair a Red Setter's for hard frost and snow, heavy but well insulated. Wellingtons for when its warm and wet, plus mud.

All boots have a huge hole at the top of them.

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I agree that walking comfort comes first. And after all, in most situations, having wet feet will not kill you.
Even better, you don't have to worry about getting wet later on.
Puncturing must be the most common problem with gore tex in boots. I have a pair that gives a hissing noise when I walk. They are quite effective in keeping prey away when hunting.
One thing is for sure, the gore tex membrane is better off in clothing.

If you use gore tex socks instead of investing in new boots, you don't have to pay through you nose. They come with a huge hole on top as well.
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Sno seal on leather boots works great and keeps the leather up. Remember, however, that when you seal leather, you defeat one of its greatest capabilities ... breathability.
 
I've had a pair of Rockys for 10+ years. Admittedly, they've had only intermittent use but they've held up fine.

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In my experiance Gore-Tex is pretty much a waste of money. I have used Gore-Tex boots and jackets for years, both in the civilian world and for a short time in the military. There have been several almost fatal failures of Gore-Tex products in the military, and now both the U.S. Army and W.L.Gore&Asociates recommend using standard issue raingear during "heavy and or prolonged downpour." For more info I recommend checking out John Wigatow's website. He is the owner of Wiggy's, which manufactures sleeping bags for the U.S. military spec.ops groups as well as the bags stored in aircraft survival kits.
 
Hi Clayton,

Hope all is well on your end of the world. I read your post with interest. Although I feel gore-tex has flaws I would have to disagree with anyone who states that standard military issue rain gear is best in a downpour... especially 'when active'. During moments like these a shelter is best
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Having been in the field approximately 6 months a year under all seasonal and climatic conditions with both options.... I have to state that the moisture I would obtain from sweating inside the military issue rain gear was way more then any wetness that might come through the gore-tex material. Thus I prefer the gore-tex and would never carry the weight of a second set of rain gear (military issue) to be used in a downpour. Once again... I'd build a shelter instead...

It has been my observation that the gear is not what nearly kills our wilderness travelers..... it is usually the wearer's ignorance (or lack of training).

With this in mind.... I question your sources comments and subsequent recommendation. I feel they are shortsighted and not field tested for the ACTIVE backcountry traveler....

I will check with my sources (all are high ranking USAF SERE instructors) who are still active duty and in the midst of such military issues.

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Hello Greg. My info. was from several souces. On the military side, a Lt. Col. at Benning made a public statement, and wrote a letter to Gore & Associates and Natick labs about several men getting hypothermia. The main problem they were having was with the fabric "bleeding" the rainwater around the neckline,etc. As far as Gore & Associates, they have released a public statement(s) about the misuse of Gore-Tex in items for which it may not perform too well, such as sleeping bags. There is simply too much vapor inside a jacket, sleeping bag, etc. to be transferred IMO. Sleep in a current issue bivy bag in the rain. The rain won't come in, but very little moisture vapor will escape as well. As far as boots go, provided you are not going to step in any water over 8 or 10" deep(height of the boot)then I guess it does no harm, but not much good either. Many Marines are currently finding this out. Once you get water in a Gore-Tex lined boot, you have a wet boot that stays wet. I prefer jungle boots except for cold weather, then I wear a pair of insulated Herman Survivors without Gore-Tex. BTW, the use of "issue" raingear was not my choice, it was recommended by W.L. Gore & Associates in a non classified R&D statement as a reply to several "failures" of Gore-Tex lined items reported to Natick labs over the last few years. As an interim solution, most infantry units I have been in contact with, such as the 5th Ranger Training Battalion at Camp Merrill, Dahlonega,GA, have indicated it is now SOP to carry raingear as well as ECWS Gore-Tex parkas/pants.
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Egads! To Knut I apologize if this was not the info. you were asking for. To be more on topic I must say I have a pair of Rocky Cornstalkers and they are most certainly not waterproof. I used to have a pair of Danner Acadias and they were waterproof, although a bit heavy. Also, when/if the membrane in your favorite boots expires, you are out of luck. For those who love Gore-Tex I recommend British Army Gore-Tex liners, as well as the Sealskinz sock liners. If they don't work for you or tear up, your only out 10-25 bucks. Cordially, Clayton Hufford
 
Here are some of my ramblings on Goretex:

When Goretex bivi bags first came out, it was thought that they were the answer to sleeping in the wet. If only it was so simple.
Goretex bivi bags are good but for them to work there are certain ground rules. The body produces copious quantities of moisture during a good sleep. For the goretex to let this out the outer surface must not be saturated with water and plenty of air must circulate around it. In translating, this amounts to not setting up your bivi bag in a puddle/ground water and protecting it from direct rain with a basha/tarpaulin.

I love my issue Taslan Goretex raingear. For standing still in torential rain it works for me, but that's because its a relatively new one. I stitched up a friend of mine by giving him one of my old sets(8 yrs old). It failed completely the other day in Scotland and he was drenched.

When soldiering, being very active, you work damp. Warm and damp is no real hardship, but the danger arises when you stop work. Cold and damp can be leathal. This is were the layered system works best. However, for the layered system to work it takes discipline. It is a learned/experience skill to "bother" changing clothing with the highs and lows of your work load. Climatisation is another completely underestimated factor, but thats another story.

Turning water into water vapour uses huge amounts of energy, more than your body can afford to use. Wind action removes water and vapour much faster but also takes away any heat.
Unless cold and dry, goretex doesn't work fast enough, so water accumulates on the inside of the suit. One way to rid yourself of some of this excess water/dampness is to give your undergarments a good airing under cover. Modern fibrepiles (best with a pertex outer for windproofing) not only retain heat when damp but are also efficient at wicking away moisture where the wind can take it away. So take off your goretex under a basha and let your fibrepile have the chance to work. Twenty minutes is all that it takes and then you can put your goretex back on. You may still be a little warm damp, but you won't be wet damp. Don't forget to give the inside of your gortex an airing too. If you can stay out of the rain then the goretex will start to work again removing even more moisture. You might even become dry within an hour or so. This works with boots as well. It takes three pairs of thick dry socks to dry a goretex boot.
Its all part of personal administration in the field; which is hard work but has to be done if you intend surviving/working in the elements for a sustained period of time. Its easy to pick out the more experienced soldiers because they do this job fast and have their kit well organised for the task.

For most of us, who can return to a heated cabin, Goretex is a good enough outer waterproof and windproof shell. It is far superiour to the total barrier waterproof. Unfortunately, it is not the complete solution the advertisments would like us to believe. Further performance has to come from your other clothing layers. Goretex is fragile, so you can prolong its life by only wearing it when you have to or expect to replace it every year or so.

If its not raining hard then a windproof that is rain resistant is probably better/more breathable.

 
GREENJACKET, I agree 100%. One of the main problems that the U.S. military has had with Gore-Tex has been with not understanding this. Squad of grunts sleep in pouring rain inside bivy bags, no tent, rainfly,etc. Grunts wake up in the morning soaking wet, not because the bags leaked, but because not enough water vapor i.e. sweat was expelled from the bag. W.L. Gore & Associates, Natick labs, as well as Crane have relentlessly hyped Gore-Tex products as the end all of wet weather field gear.One of the main problems with Gore-Tex products is the fabric that it is laminated to. It must be kept relativly clean and water resistant. If the outer fabric on your Outward Bound Gore-Tex supercoat or your Gore-Tex Gucci tactical boots becomes soking wet or covered in mud then you are SOL. No more breathability. Personally, I don't recall ever a time in the field while in the military when I was either dry or clean. Regards, Clayton
 
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