Gun or knife as primary defense weapon??

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Seeing how I didnt get any respones to last question, I am hoping this one will be more interesting. I have been reading all the responses to When do you not carry a knife?, and am curious as to how many people in this forum carry a gun (with a CCW I hope) or have a gun in the night stand as a primary defense weapon. Or do you think that a Knife is a better choice and why?
 
I responded to your last post about the CQC-7. Take a look.
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BTW, about guns, I'm 16 and live in a CCW-lacking state, so I carry a knife, but only as a tool. Self defense only if absolutely necessary, and that isn't the reason I carry a knife.

As for at home, I don't keep a knife as defense on my nightstand. I am getting a 12-gauge pump shotgun soon though, and that will be plenty of home defense, though I'm primarily getting it to hunt. I'll probably have it locked in a case most of the time though. Right now I'm thinking Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 Express. Anyone want to help me make a decision? They are both around the $200 mark if you shop around.

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Chang the Asian Janitorial Apparatus
 
Yeah I saw the reply Chang, I spoke too soon.
I think I am going for the BM instead of the Emerson. I allready had an idea, But I just wast sure...
 
BM will be hard to find. They got discontinued a good while back. The Emerson is a good knife, dont let the slightly off fit and finish quality deter you. It is still very much worth the price.

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Chang the Asian Janitorial Apparatus
 
I lived in New York City for over forty years. This included the time it was considered a specially dangerous place, too. I worked for the Postal Service, a lot of the time at night, and later on a roving assignment in some of the less-attractive parts of Manhattan, which included walking to and from work through Central Park (one of the better neighborhoods, actually).

I never carried, or even owned, firearms, although I am a member of the NRA to support the right of those who should and can carry. I never found myself in a situation where I "needed" a gun. I did find a few times that the knife I was carrying sent a clear enough message that I never had to actually use it on anyone. Junkies really don't like personal confrontations.

Knives are so useful as tools, that I carry one even when I'm sure I'm not going to need a weapon. But I do like to have a small weapon handy, because you never really know.

Recently, I carry a small keychain knife, my Leatherman Supertool in the belt pouch, a BM Emerson large black knife in my right back pocket, and a Sebenza in my right front pocket. You never know when one of these year-round Canada geese is going to go berserk and attack. (Don't laugh, it's happened.)

Once it escalates to firearms, though, that's a different story. These days, you have to cover yourself legally, so support the NRA, and get out there and vote for the Republican Presidential candidate of your choice. Or don't come crying when the Gore White House orders the BATF to confiscate metal knives in public eating establishments.

And remember what Robert Heinlein wrote in the book "Starship Troopers" -- when one of the boots asked the sergeant why they were training with knives when they would have really dangerous weapons once they went into combat, Sergeant Zim answered him, that "There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous men."
 
Well a gun probably is more effective/safer and a gun you could utilize at a distance.If you use a knife,you will be needing to get up close and personal with an intruder.A knife could be very effective if it is utilized properly.Ralph
 
It's interesting to consider actual fights--at what ranges they occur. Do more of them happen at 25 yards or 7 yards or shoving distance? When we consider the answer, and then consider the effectiveness and deployment speed of a knife in skilled hands, the old "knife to a gunfight" wisdom tends to evaporate.

However, guns allow tactical options which are otherwise unavailable. For example, challenges are more effective (e.g. "drop it"). A gun requires much less training to use effectively. And statistics aside, it's nice to have the distance option should circumstances require it.

Overall, I believe that both the gun and the knife have a place in an integrated defense system: neither one primary or secondary, but each one brought into play as circumstances demand.

I further believe that because of all the above, if you for some reason cannot carry a gun, a knife can be adequate. With training and practice, of course.
 
The Mossberg 500 or the Remington 870 Express, yes, those are both great hunting guns... right? I guess it just depends on what and where you're gonna hunt...
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It is very hard to argue the advantages of a knife over a gun.

While, contrary to popular belief, effective hand gun defense is not (if you'll pardon the pun) point-and-click-simple, effective use of a knife is much more involved.

Self-defense with a knife is a messy business. You've got to get close enough to check your attacker's dental work and you've got to get his blood and guts all over you.

Now, on the other hand, I can not walk the streets of downtown Portland with my gun drawn (it's not actually illegal per se, but I am told that it would be "disturbing the peace"). But, I can palm my folded AFCK without any problem. I've even been known to open it and carry it in a reverse grip with the blade tight to the back of my arm completely concealed. This works especially well at night. In one case, a pan handler got a bit agressive and so I held up my hands as if to say, "keep back". Anyone more than a few feet away wouldn't have thought anything of it. But, he sure thought something of it.


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Chuck
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[This message has been edited by Gollnick (edited 10-05-2000).]
 
Self-defense with a knife is a messy business. You've got to get
close enough to check your attacker's dental work and you've
got to get his blood and guts all over you.

That's true, Gollnick. In this day and age of blood borne pathogens, we should be conscious of this at all times. I dislike the thought of having to cut someone in self defense for this reason (among others), and I'm thankful I've never been in such a situation. That being said, chances are that a knife is one of the things I will have access to in most situations, and to not consider it as a means of self defense would be quite negligent on my part.

hopethisisnttaken-

If you have access to both a gun and a knife, there aren't many situations that I can think of when a knife would be a better choice, except maybe in a crowded area, when there is a likelihood of injuring innocent bystanders. Under those circumstances, however, the chances of you getting involved in a life threatening confrontation with another individual are quite unlikely. As far as home defense, have you considered a spear as something to hold you over until you can obtain a firearm? I think it is advantageous in many ways to a knife, and quite formidable when properly utilized. Cold Steel sells several models of well made modern spears.

JK

 
I too thinnk that you have to have both.It is better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.At home keep them both handy. Teach kids aboout the guns and the affects they have on the intended target. They will have a good respect for guns and are less likely to touch them. I tought my kids about guns and they never touched them even though they were in plan site. They must also be taught abouot knives and how they cut. Kids are only stuppid when we don't take time to teach them.
 
Vermont is a pretty neat place in a lot of ways, One way is that there is no restriction on concealed firearm carry. Anyone in Vermont that is legally allowed to possess a handgun can legally carry it, concealed, without any sort of permit.
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By the way, Vermont got a D- again this year from HCI.
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Form a political/legal stand point I believe that a firearm, at least here, is a much safer bet. In the highly unlikely event that I were ever to be involved in a self defense situation, and I used a handgun to get out of it, I think I would most likely get to go home and sleep in my own bed. If I used a knife in exactly the same situation, it would be automatically assumed that I was an equal participant in a fight, and would most likely go to jail.


Mike
 
For defense, I sometimes carry my Delica 50/50 or my Calypso Jr. Lightweight plain edge. I should note that my first line of defense is always: Run like hell. Second would be: Kick 'em in the nuts and then run like hell. I never carry a gun because, uhh, well I don't own one. I do enjoy the occasional afternoon at the trap/skeet range and would like to give hunting a try but it seems that, if you're not hunting by the time you're 30, you never will (my grandfather hunted but passed away before I was old enough and my dad quit before I was born). With that said, I'll 'fess up to being one of the dreaded non-Republicans and no friend of the NRA or the Bush family. I guess that makes me an anomaly - a social liberal who is a knife nut and has no problem with shooting sports and managed hunting.
 
If legal, I wish both.
Gun is powerful, and long length, but maybe missfire and jaming. As I need buckup knife.

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Chic Stone
 
MNblade, people like you and I who are Non-Republican but support knife and gun ownership really need to make our voices heard. Politicians listen to those who shout loudest.
 

IMHO...I think the more effective weapon is the mindset of the person bearing that arm. If you have a knife and a mindset to survive, you have just as good of a chance as anyone with a gun, especially if you take into account the distance at wich most armed confrontations occur.

Also, for those of you concerned about blood and all the little nasties that go along with it. A service caliber handgun or a shotgun are both going to be messy at close distances. Also if a stuggle is involed you are very likely to be cut by sights or some other part of the gun.
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[This message has been edited by aflatfoot (edited 10-05-2000).]
 
Primary self defense is your brain. If you find yourself planning which weapon to take as you're leaving the house you should reconsider your destination or where you live. If you spend much time in bars, stop. Next to engaging in outright criminal activity, hanging out in bars is about the number one way to get assaulted or killed. If there is crime in your neighborhood, move. If you aren't a cop or criminal getting assaulted is a relatively random occurance related to time and place. Assaults tend to be initiated when the assaulter figures he has an advantage--you seldom get gentlemanly challenges, you get mugged or cold-cocked. You improve your odds more by controlling your where and when than by controlling what you carry.

All that said, if you are trapped in a bad place and you can get a permit, carry a gun. Make it a high clip capacity automatic. My solution was to change careers and get out of the big city. My guns didn't help me much when gangs threatened my son at school. I basically had to get out town to enhance familly safety.
 
For self defense, my weapon of choice is an HK P7M8 or usp compact (9 or 45)
the knives I carry are tools, but the ability to defend myself with them in a real-life scenario i snice to have, but I'd hate to depend on it. I spend my time practicing with my carry weapons. I'm not knocking the ability of a knife to do damage, I just know that myself personally can draw a handgun concealed and engage a target before I could whip out a folder/flickknife/whatever and engage a target. A handgun gives more options, surely, but is much less convenient to lug around.
cheers,
Derek
Birmingham, AL
 
GUN! SIG P229(NITE-SITES), 12rnd Mags, 40 Cal Black Talons, CCW and home defense. Emerson Commander or Lightfoot 458 Mag as last ditch or where CCW not valid.
 
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