How to make new handle from scratch ?

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Assuming unlimited selection of technologies, it would seem that fiberglass and composites leap over the laminates
in terms of strength and durability. So the advantage of wood is aesthetics and no one gets all goo goo eyed over
laminated axe handles etc. I think that is why we dont see them. However for the DIY folks it could be a way
to create wood pieces sufficient in size when only small scraps are laying around. I have been amazed my whole life
that when wood pieces properly glued together are broken the break line is always someplace other than the glue line.

But I still might try pecan wood with my chainsaw. You know hickory nuts and pecan nuts ???
The trees are very very close cousins and I am assuming the pecan has most of the properties of the Hickory tree.
Pecan is a Hickory, Pecan wood should be fine for a handle. i've experimented with all,sorts of hardwoods for handles. Black Walnut, Ash, Maple, Sycamore, Black Locust, Osage Orange. and i'm sure there are few other woods i've forgotten.
good luck. the laminated handle just might be a winner

buzz
 
That plywood sounds like it's as much glue as wood..

When aviation MILSPEC enters the equation I'm pretty darned sure the answer isn't 'as much glue as wood'. However; how do you accurately rotary peel hardwoods so that you can consistently generate micrometer thin sheets of uniformly unspoiled material? That I would have liked to see being done within a 1940s factory setting. The lathe and knives and beforehand lumber selection and preparation would have been a sight to behold. Guaranteed the glue was not poured on either and likely measured in spoonfuls and misted in place or else pressure rolled to displace any possible excess. Mosquitos in service (many of them were in Pathfinder or reconnaissance roles) did not degrade during weather extremes and were capable of sustaining incredible inflight stresses and strains.
 
When aviation MILSPEC enters the equation I'm pretty darned sure the answer isn't 'as much glue as wood'. However; how do you accurately rotary peel hardwoods so that you can consistently generate micrometer thin sheets of uniformly unspoiled material? That I would have liked to see being done within a 1940s factory setting. The lathe and knives and beforehand lumber selection and preparation would have been a sight to behold. Guaranteed the glue was not poured on either and likely measured in spoonfuls and misted in place or else pressure rolled to displace any possible excess. Mosquitos in service (many of them were in Pathfinder or reconnaissance roles) did not degrade during weather extremes and were capable of sustaining incredible inflight stresses and strains.
Wonder what kind of wood was used? I can't think of many that would hold their integrity when sliced that thin..
 
Aviation grade spruce quinton.

When I do do a laminate axe haft I will be using a resorcinol formadehyde adhesive to bond the layers together.
 
Wonder what kind of wood was used? I can't think of many that would hold their integrity when sliced that thin..

My understanding of this is that it was birch. The ex-WWII airframe mechanic that showed me these relics (they were patching material in square and rectangle sheets) already died in 1980. Whether they were Yellow or White Birch I have no idea (yellow is used for gym flooring and for bowling alleys) and it obviously had to have small or closed pores and the origin logs had to be blemish free.
 
Aviation grade spruce quinton.

When I do do a laminate axe haft I will be using a resorcinol formadehyde adhesive to bond the layers together.

Sounds like a plan! Dispense with the spruce (despite maybe being clear old growth Sitka) though and go with a hardwood when you do. Looking forward to hear how this works out.
 
Sounds like a plan! Dispense with the spruce (despite maybe being clear old growth Sitka)

I am not using spruce for an axe haft. That would be silly!

I was referring to the wood used in the de Havilland Mosquito. However, it appears it was Ecuadoran balsa sheets sandwiched with sheets of Canadian birch that were used for the fuselage. Spruce was used in other parts of the plane though.
 
For me, the most anoying thing about the human animal is the never ending need to reinvent the wheel. There is a reason why hickory (shag bark or shell bark are the best) has been used for axe handles for at least 300 years in North America. THERE IS NO EQUAL! It is easy to obtain and affordable. Stop working on building a new wheel.
 
There is a reason why hickory (shag bark or shell bark are the best) has been used for axe handles for at least 300 years in North America. THERE IS NO EQUAL! It is easy to obtain and affordable. Stop working on building a new wheel.

I might just lay up multiple layers of hickory and carve me out a haft in your honor. Probably not though since I can purchase perfectly good clubs of hickory that they pass off as handles for under ten bucks.
 
Some might say the dominance of hickory was reinventing the wheel, as a lot of areas don't have access to it so it had to be imported and marketed as the best handle. Axe Connected has an interesting article on this, how traditionally axemen used locally procured handles and how the hickory clubs aren't a very good handle (I may be thinking of two separate articles).

And I wouldn't say hickory is the best. I think it became the dominant wood for handles due to its hardness while retaining some of the other desirable qualities. No doubt this dominance spread through the lumber industry, and hardware stores selling homestead splitting hybrids, where durability took precedence. Since then hickory has achieved market dominance and hardly anyone makes their own handles, meaning there is quite a lot of majority rules and confirmation bias behind the claims of hickory being the best.

Ash and birch are both better in terms of weight and feel, and birch is far better in flexibility/shock resistance. You can also see that in selecting your own wood for a handle you can get a tighter grain. This may mean that birch or ash handles are nearly as hard as a hickory handle if they have tighter grain, or this at least significantly closes the distance.

So hickory has no equal in terms of durability, but in terms of feel and shock resistance there are better choices. In fact, you might say, birch has no equal.
 
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I held on to my 18c axe and adze collection for a project I am working on. Guess what, all the handles are hickory. Handmade of course. Shaped and sized to fit the guy who used them. "Used them" are the key words here, not collected and discussed to death.
This instant internet expert thing with references to "expert" advise is starting to tick me off again. Respect and listen to history.
Signing off again.
Bernie Weisgerber
 
I held on to my 18c axe and adze collection for a project I am working on. Guess what, all the handles are hickory. Handmade of course. Shaped and sized to fit the guy who used them. "Used them" are the key words here, not collected and discussed to death.
This instant internet expert thing with references to "expert" advise is starting to tick me off again. Respect and listen to history.
Signing off again.
Bernie Weisgerber

I was taught all aspects of axes by older axemen who used them to make a living and just survive back in the day. The axe was to them what a cellular telephone is to the general population these days...they were never far from their axes.

I have axeually went to the woods with an axe, chopped down a Hickory tree, bucked it to length, and split staves with Dogwood gluts made on site. These staves were loaded on to a horse drawn sled to be hauled home for axe helves. I have done nearly everything to an axe except make a laminated handle...I think I will do that soon. Then, I will use it!
 
One upmanship is going to get us nowhere. Hickory trees must have been growing in profusion (large, easy to harvest, straight grain and abundant (ie cheap)) somewhere and entrepreneurs there cashed in on it. Walters (Hull Quebec) for instance already in the 1920s decided to import southern hickory despite the ready availability of west Quebec hardwoods next door, and he (Morley Walters) did this for a reason. There maybe some hardwoods that beat the pants off hickory for strength and durability but not with regard to wholescale availability, consistency, nor price.
 
At least one person is making a good living selling laminated axe handles on that internet auction site. . .

Is that "auction site" ebay? I tried the www and ebay specifically looking for "laminated axe handles". I could only find this one
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from this blog dated March 2013. From the blog I followed the link to Meriwether, but couldn't find that axe for sale.

Thanks, Bob
 
"I held on to my 18c axe and adze collection for a project I am working on. Guess what, all the handles are hickory. Handmade of course. Shaped and sized to fit the guy who used them. "Used them" are the key words here, not collected and discussed to death.
This instant internet expert thing with references to "expert" advise is starting to tick me off again. Respect and listen to history.
Signing off again.
Bernie Weisgerber"

This is called confirmation bias. You live in an area and time when hickory handles were dominant. The collected axes were also most likely from an area with hickory so it is obvious that would be the wood that was used in those axes. Other areas used different trees. The dominance of hickory in single areas or due to market reasons does not mean they are the best handles. It means simply that they were the most durable and could be manufactured at a rate to fulfill the needs of a growing industry. How could Canadian companies keep up with much bigger American companies? They couldn't, much of the forest industry was bought up by American companies, along with the axe manufacturers. And many of the largest companies were in areas with access to hickory, Plumb and Kelly being the obvious examples.

By your logic we can just say that fiberglass handles are dominant now, and therefore are better than hickory due to them being superior in the market, according to historical progression. Or even that Chinese axes are superior to American axes because they are more popular (and the Swedish ones too). See where that gets us? You're not respecting and listening to history yourself, only demanding that I adhere to your version of it.

It's pretty simple. Compare axes with a hickory handle and a birch or ash handle. Which one is lighter? Which one is better at shock resistance? You don't know? Well, I guess that makes you the Internet Expert.

Don't make assumptions about other people just because you had a bad day and people wouldn't get off your internet lawn. When I came home today I went out to my lawn and split wood for an hour and a half. But I guess that's not relevant to someone who has to resort to insults immediately.

You can't respect history if you look down upon knowledge and immediately become surly over a logical and historically accurate idea. You don't seem like the listening type, to be frank. Guess I'll go back out to the lawn now. In the meantime here's a similar idea written by someone with practical axe knowledge (no doubt you'll have proof of your sixteen hours and 4 cords cut today as a rebuttal):

"I have heard that White Oak was once the preferred handle material (from an axe historian specializing in the late 1700s until around 1900). It was cut for ships and tool handles, presumably, and this was when population and consumption was way lower. In the absence of oil-driven machines, which is an inevitability, the supply of hickory and ash will probably drop like a brick."
http://axeconnected.blogspot.ca/2013/03/weak-handles-revisited.html
 
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One upmanship is going to get us nowhere. Hickory trees must have been growing in profusion (large, easy to harvest, straight grain and abundant (ie cheap)) somewhere and entrepreneurs there cashed in on it. Walters (Hull Quebec) for instance already in the 1920s decided to import southern hickory despite the ready availability of west Quebec hardwoods next door, and he (Morley Walters) did this for a reason. There maybe some hardwoods that beat the pants off hickory for strength and durability but not with regard to wholescale availability, consistency, nor price.

I would say White Oak would make a great axe handle. The heartwood has most everything Hickory does plus, it is WAY more rot resistant.

A Hickory log, if left on the ground will be unusable in months due to decay, White Oak heartwood will be usable for much longer. I cut my timber in '92, some White Oak tops are still solid enough for firewood, though the sapwood has been rotted away for years.
 
Is that "auction site" ebay? I tried the www and ebay specifically looking for "laminated axe handles". I could only find this one
165.jpg

from this blog dated March 2013. From the blog I followed the link to Meriwether, but couldn't find that axe for sale.

Thanks, Bob
Bob, you must not be able to Reed.;)
 
"I held on to my 18c axe and adze collection for a project I am working on. Guess what, all the handles are hickory. Handmade of course. Shaped and sized to fit the guy who used them. "Used them" are the key words here, not collected and discussed to death.
This instant internet expert thing with references to "expert" advise is starting to tick me off again. Respect and listen to history.
Signing off again.
Bernie Weisgerber"

This is called confirmation bias. You live in an area and time when hickory handles were dominant. The collected axes were also most likely from an area with hickory so it is obvious that would be the wood that was used in those axes. Other areas used different trees. The dominance of hickory in single areas or due to market reasons does not mean they are the best handles. It means simply that they were the most durable and could be manufactured at a rate to fulfill the needs of a growing industry. How could Canadian companies keep up with much bigger American companies? They couldn't, much of the forest industry was bought up by American companies, along with the axe manufacturers. And many of the largest companies were in areas with access to hickory, Plumb and Kelly being the obvious examples.

By your logic we can just say that fiberglass handles are dominant now, and therefore are better than hickory due to them being superior in the market, according to historical progression. Or even that Chinese axes are superior to American axes because they are more popular (and the Swedish ones too). See where that gets us? You're not respecting and listening to history yourself, only demanding that I adhere to your version of it.

It's pretty simple. Compare axes with a hickory handle and a birch or ash handle. Which one is lighter? Which one is better at shock resistance? You don't know? Well, I guess that makes you the Internet Expert.

Don't make assumptions about other people just because you had a bad day and people wouldn't get off your internet lawn. When I came home today I went out to my lawn and split wood for an hour and a half. But I guess that's not relevant to someone who has to resort to insults immediately.

You can't respect history if you look down upon knowledge and immediately become surly over a logical and historically accurate idea. You don't seem like the listening type, to be frank. Guess I'll go back out to the lawn now. In the meantime here's a similar idea written by someone with practical axe knowledge (no doubt you'll have proof of your sixteen hours and 4 cords cut today as a rebuttal):

"I have heard that White Oak was once the preferred handle material (from an axe historian specializing in the late 1700s until around 1900). It was cut for ships and tool handles, presumably, and this was when population and consumption was way lower. In the absence of oil-driven machines, which is an inevitability, the supply of hickory and ash will probably drop like a brick."
http://axeconnected.blogspot.ca/2013/03/weak-handles-revisited.html

I think I wrote that last part there, a few years back.

I think Bernie is generally correct that Hickory makes a fine axe handle. Maybe "the best". I do think he is being a bit of curmudgeon though.

The reality is that many different types of wood will make a great handle. In different regions, where there is no Hickory, they make do fine with other types of wood incl. Ash, Hard Maple, Birch, Hornbeam, White Oak, Osage Orange, and some others. Very often, these are areas where axes are applied in practice even more serious than other places.

I recently got a bunch of nice, riven Hickory from Missouri through a friend. I was thrilled, but I would have been just as thrilled with a car load of White Ash to make handles, minus a bit of novelty having never worked with raw Hickory before.

So Hickory is great, but if you can't get it there are plenty of great alternatives that work just as well.
 
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