illegal to carry a knife.

[Harayasu]

it's kind of like in the netherlands,if you dont give them a reason to stop and search you,you dont have to worry very much.

things have change a lot since the refugees started moving in,not the positive way.

I have the feeling that in the Netherlands the knife laws got more strict when cities grew bigger and bigger and some city subcultures are quite violent. Some groups of refugees and immigrants that moved in did influence the development of the knife laws, but I think it is not the only factor and certainly not the main factor. Just look for example at the explosion of the amount of violence of soccer hooligans. Some soccer games are nowadays cancelled or played without fans of the visiting club, to prevent big hooligan fights.

Some people here just can't deal with freedom and I have the feeling that this group of people is growing each year. I think this is also part of the government which takes a step back. People were very much used to the welfare state where the government took care of them. Now that the government is taking a step back, people have to take more responsibility themselves and for some people that is difficult. That is the group of people that is now wanting a strong leader to lead the country.

I further think some politicians think that if you take away knives and guns from citizens and introduce more and more restricting laws, the society will become more safe. In my opinion they are ignoring the fact that criminals ignore laws.

 

[unky_gumbi]

I don't know what I would do without a knife in my pocket
Canadian knife laws are open to interpretation. Someone mentioned that a pocket knife could be deemed a concealed weapon, but I remember reading that its not. What make a pocket knife a concealed weapon is carrying it with intent. If you look dodgy and up to no good them the police will suspect that you have intent, claiming that your knife is for self defense is claiming intent.
In my work I deal with many Leos and all of them are intrigued by the variety of knives that we all carry at work. Between myself and another worker we have 100+ knives, carry everyday, and have never had a problem. The closest I have had to a run in with the law over a knife, is that one of the Leos that comes to our shop stopped me to see my 710. He wanted to show his partner the cool knife I carry. That was the day i got my mini grip so he was disappointed. He brought the guy over to my place to show him my collection.

 

[rprocter]

What is a "Leo" ?? oops, think i just realized: Law Enforcement Officer. never heard "Leo"(or LEO) before. what happened to "cops" ?
roland

 

[SCALPHUNTER]

Makes me glad I live in the US, cause I can't fathom not being able to carry not only my knife, but since I got my CCW permit, my gun too.

 

[neehow51woheen]

The poor guy in Norway can't even carry a knife except in the woods when its hunting season,,,,it sounds like socialism has really taken over in his country, lets not have it happen here.

 

[jb4gators]

I've never had reason to carry a knife as an edc but know people who do/did. I've had times that I've felt threatened and I think flashing a knife (in fear not aggravation) might have made things worse. Or course everyone says they don't need knife/gun/spear/whatever until they REALLY need one so my experiences don't count for much.

Here in Oz all knives are considered controlled weapons, you can carry one as long as it's not on the prohibited list and as long as you have legitimate reason for using the knife, camping, hunting for example. Self defense is not a legitimate reason for carrying a knife.

Considering the culture of alcohol fueled cowardly beatings and stabbings that is growing in Australia I don't know what I think about that. I'd prefer the police protect me rather than having to do it myself and just stay away from places where I think I might have to!

Gun control is even tighter here I think - no handguns period, unless you like target shooting. You can own pretty much any rifle you want as long as its bolt action and less than five rounds in a magazine. You'll need a safe though which is bolted to the ground.

I've never had reason for a gun but I'd like to take up rifle shooting as a sport - the safe requirement has always kept me back though because I don't own a house I can't bolt it to the ground...

Do you have a police officer assigned to each person to protect you at all times? Are criminals required to stay with in designated areas that are easily avoided? If not, i'll assume the responsibility of protecting myself and family.

Not meant to be a flame but know several people that say they do not see the need to own a weapon because the police will protect them or that they do not live in a bad area of town.

I'm not for people owning a gun or knife is they do not feel comfortable with it but to think the police are there to protect an individual instead of society as a whole is a very sheepish way to view things.

 

[A. G. Russell]

Makes me glad I live in the US, cause I can't fathom not being able to carry not only my knife, but since I got my CCW permit, my gun too.

You will remain able to be this free only as long as you insist that your representitives protect your knives and guns.

40-50 years ago it was noticed that the king of Norway was carrying a knife while in white tie and tails, when asked, he replied "you never know when you might need a knife". He should have seen that his grandson learned that lesson.

 

[JTR357]

You will remain able to be this free only as long as you insist that your representitives protect your knives and guns.

40-50 years ago it was noticed that the king of Norway was carrying a knife while in white tie and tails, when asked, he replied "you never know when you might need a knife". He should have seen that his grandson learned that lesson.

A BIG +1 on that!:thumbup:

 

[MORIMOTOM]

What is a "Leo" ?? oops, think i just realized: Law Enforcement Officer. never heard "Leo"(or LEO) before. what happened to "cops" ?
roland

in the states, leo tends to be more of a midwest/east coast reference. it is all encompassing, including parole, probation, marshalls, etc.

out on the west coast, we generally refer to ourselves as cops, peace officers, sworn, etc.

just a colloquial difference.

 

[unky_gumbi]

What is a "Leo" ?? oops, think i just realized: Law Enforcement Officer. never heard "Leo"(or LEO) before. what happened to "cops" ?
roland

I find that the term LEO is a bit more respectful then cop. I have heard cop used negatively too many times that it sounds like a bad word now to me.

 

[cp2u]

I live in Vermont.
I do what i want.

We have no laws prohibiting the carrying of guns or knives (except for some "city" imposed restrictions).
As a citizen I can walk into the local bank with a 44 Mag on my hip with no legal repercussions.
Being told I couldn't EDC a knife seems "alien" to me.

CP

 

[FTO_dude]

Here in Oz all knives are considered controlled weapons, you can carry one as long as it's not on the prohibited list and as long as you have legitimate reason for using the knife, camping, hunting for example. Self defense is not a legitimate reason for carrying a knife.

Think again. Victoria recently passed law that prohibits ALL knives. $1000 on the spot fine for having any kind of blade.
The newspaper recently ran an article on "Deadly weapons confiscated in the CBD", one was a pair of scissors, 2 were screwdrivers, and the rest were knives that would have been considered legal under previous law with a legitimate reason for carry.

Worst part is, i cant find ANYTHING about this law. so far as i can tell, its zero tolerance. which means i could be fined for purchasing a knife and then being inspected whilst transporting it home.
Im in the process of finding out more about this ridiculous law.

Gun control is even tighter here I think - no handguns period, unless you like target shooting. You can own pretty much any rifle you want as long as its bolt action and less than five rounds in a magazine.

I'm no expert but i know you can get handguns. A friend of mine said he used to do it but by club regulations he was required to compete in competition. he wasnt a big fan of that so he just dropped pistol shooting.
I dont know too much about rifles either but anything over a .22 is alot more regulated.

 

[jahv220]

I am right handed and used to carry my knife in my left pocket and my cellphone in my right. Then my uncle said to me "why would you carry your phone on your strong side? God forbid you need the cops or your knife... wouldn't you rather your knife be out first rather than getting your teeth kicked in while on the phone with some guy who'd help you 10 minutes too late?"

I don't leave the house without a knife, and when I turn 21 in the winter next year I'll be getting my CCW permit. Moreover, I'm sorry your country doesn't let you carry a blade, I can't think of a more useful tool.

As far as the law goes scaring the sheeple in the most effective way to legislate. Don't cry about the violent world out there- newsflash, it's never as violent as you think. Protect yourself and your loved ones and do your best to change the law

 

[ttoney83]

if you sit in a bar and drink a beer with a knife like that and the police find it in your pocket,you are in trouble.there is no reason to carry a knife like that on the street. but you can carry it in the woods offcourse. it's also illegal to own a knife that have edge on both sides,if i order one,the customs will take it for sure.

I hope you are going to start organizing. What you are describing in these posts is just mind boggling. It's insane really. How did it go so far in Norway? When did the efforts to disarm the people begin? All in the name of "Public Safety" no doubt, but was there some horrible crime wave in Norway? Norwegians never struck me as the criminal type. At least not in modern days anyway.

 

[Harayasu]

I hope you are going to start organizing. What you are describing in these posts is just mind boggling. It's insane really. How did it go so far in Norway? When did the efforts to disarm the people begin? All in the name of "Public Safety" no doubt, but was there some horrible crime wave in Norway? Norwegians never struck me as the criminal type. At least not in modern days anyway.

I think it is not just Norwegian, it is European. We also lost a lot of freedom due to the war against terrorism.

 

[HandofCod]

Think again. Victoria recently passed law that prohibits ALL knives. $1000 on the spot fine for having any kind of blade.
The newspaper recently ran an article on "Deadly weapons confiscated in the CBD", one was a pair of scissors, 2 were screwdrivers, and the rest were knives that would have been considered legal under previous law with a legitimate reason for carry.

Worst part is, i cant find ANYTHING about this law. so far as i can tell, its zero tolerance. which means i could be fined for purchasing a knife and then being inspected whilst transporting it home.
Im in the process of finding out more about this ridiculous law.


I'm no expert but i know you can get handguns. A friend of mine said he used to do it but by club regulations he was required to compete in competition. he wasnt a big fan of that so he just dropped pistol shooting.
I dont know too much about rifles either but anything over a .22 is alot more regulated.

I was concerned about this also and looked into this a little. From what I could tell (and I've never studied law so take this with a grain of salt) the news laws don't relate to knives so much as power to confiscate in areas that are declared critical or high crime sites like train stations. Not all train stations however, only spots where the police are able to declare them as priority. I don't know what process or formalities are required

In these designated zones police are able to search individuals and confiscate controlled (read - all) knives or other weapons.

I don't think the police are targeting parks or bushland so I don't think I'm in any danger but I still don't brandish my recon scout around when others are around, especially kids.

Basically they just wanted a big parade so they could show what they are doing to curb knife violence. Knives are still controlled objects and as long as you have a reason for carrying or using one - camping, hunting, fishing, cooking, etc you should be just fine.

 

[HandofCod]

Do you have a police officer assigned to each person to protect you at all times? Are criminals required to stay with in designated areas that are easily avoided? If not, i'll assume the responsibility of protecting myself and family.

Not meant to be a flame but know several people that say they do not see the need to own a weapon because the police will protect them or that they do not live in a bad area of town.

I'm not for people owning a gun or knife is they do not feel comfortable with it but to think the police are there to protect an individual instead of society as a whole is a very sheepish way to view things.

I respect your approach but you've got to realise that Australia is a very different place. We have statistically far lower rates of violent crime - our media loves to whip up a frenzy about some particular story but if you look at the facts (http://www.aic.gov.au/) most murder is drug related and most victims have criminal records. If you are a woman you are far more likely to be killed by your spouse than a random attacker of opportunity.

That's not to say I don't espouse common sense defense - street smarts and an awareness of your surrounds, together with physical defense ie martial arts etc. But I don't live in fear of attack or invasion. That's why I'd let the cops do their job if I need them. Personally I fear bad or drunk drivers far more than violent offenders.

I also respect that the US is very different place with a vast range of peoples and I wouldn't have the faintest idea what it is like to live there.

 

[TOM1960]

Think again. Victoria recently passed law that prohibits ALL knives. $1000 on the spot fine for having any kind of blade.
The newspaper recently ran an article on "Deadly weapons confiscated in the CBD", one was a pair of scissors, 2 were screwdrivers, and the rest were knives that would have been considered legal under previous law with a legitimate reason for carry.

Worst part is, i cant find ANYTHING about this law. so far as i can tell, its zero tolerance. which means i could be fined for purchasing a knife and then being inspected whilst transporting it home.
Im in the process of finding out more about this ridiculous law.


I'm no expert but i know you can get handguns. A friend of mine said he used to do it but by club regulations he was required to compete in competition. he wasnt a big fan of that so he just dropped pistol shooting.
I dont know too much about rifles either but anything over a .22 is alot more regulated.

It looks like common sense finally gave up the ghost in your country. So, an electrician would be fined $1,000 on the spot for having an electrician's jackknife for stripping cable or splicing wires? A chef would receive a $1,000 fine on the spot for transporting his knives from his house to his restaurant? How about a fisherman? Fishing knives that he and his deck mates carry on board ship would subject them to $1,000 fines? You folks just accept this? One thing is for sure: fight for your rights or lose them one at a time!

 

[JCK]

It looks like common sense finally gave up the ghost in your country. So, an electrician would be fined $1,000 on the spot for having an electrician's jackknife for stripping cable or splicing wires? A chef would receive a $1,000 fine on the spot for transporting his knives from his house to his restaurant? How about a fisherman? Fishing knives that he and his deck mates carry on board ship would subject them to $1,000 fines? You folks just accept this? One thing is for sure: fight for your rights or lose them one at a time!

They probably expect you to leave them at your workplace, which is kind of fair, but if your an electrician their car or van would be their 'office' and well they'd probably still get in trouble for having it in their car, as its deemed easy access to a weapon whilst yoru dricing home after finishing work.

And I think its more what handofcod is saying, however not coming from victoria and only knowing what I've heard on the news and read in the paper, I am probably wrong. However here in bris, the police did something similar, having designated 'hot zones' where they could search anyone at anytime. They were trying to crackdown on illegal weapons and knives and such. However it has to be advertised in the paper to let the public know, so not much of a suprise....

but this is probably turning to political

 

[HandofCod]

It looks like common sense finally gave up the ghost in your country. So, an electrician would be fined $1,000 on the spot for having an electrician's jackknife for stripping cable or splicing wires? A chef would receive a $1,000 fine on the spot for transporting his knives from his house to his restaurant? How about a fisherman? Fishing knives that he and his deck mates carry on board ship would subject them to $1,000 fines? You folks just accept this? One thing is for sure: fight for your rights or lose them one at a time!

This information from the Victoria Police website updated 31/03/10 http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=25574 :
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Controlled Weapons

Controlled weapons are weapons that can be used for legitimate purposes but require regulation because of the possible danger they pose to the community. This category of weapon includes knives that while not considered prohibited weapons, still are a potential danger to the community.

A person must not possess, carry or use a controlled weapon without lawful excuse. Lawful excuse includes:

a) the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity

b) participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment, and

c) the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapon.

Lawful excuse does not include for the purpose of self-defence.

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Given the above I think chefs, fisherman and electricians are fine. I think people are far to ready to accept a story that peoples rights are being stripped away without actually looking into for themselves!

EDIT: If there is anything to upset about it is the list of prohibited weapons, these are ones you need approval from the government to carry, butterfly knives, auto knives and such, and the cat'o'nine tails! How am I going to break it to my gf that the whip is now illegal to possess!