Knife steel snobs are out of their minds, 440a is great

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440A works for me. Have it in my Camillus lK6 and Rough Ryder Red Bone Marlin Spike. Good enough and easy to re-sharpen, which is a big bonus in my book.
 
Blues said:
You're also not adding anything by saying that.
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Do you REALLY want me to add something?

OK, here we go.....

OP spouts off incorrect data as though it is fact, in a veiled disguise trying to promote and embellish 440A.

In comparison to every other steel out there today (with the exception of the ubiquitous "surgical" steel), 440A sucks. A LOT.
 
shane45-1911 said:
Do you REALLY want me to add something?

OK, here we go.....

OP spouts off incorrect data as though it is fact, in a veiled disguise trying to promote and embellish 440A.

In comparison to every other steel out there today (with the exception of the ubiquitous "surgical" steel), 440A sucks. A LOT.
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"promote and embellish 440a" lmao. I have no interest in promoting some steel. I don't care about what steel you buy, I earn nothing from it LOL. I started the thread cause I was genuinely curious about why the 440 series has such a tarnished reputation when, at least on paper, it's really not bad at all (at least if you consider the singular chemical components and what their effect on performance are). Also I double down on 440a being a good steel, and I'm strictly speaking from experience when it comes to this, I've definitely had worse (ehrm AUS-6, AUS-8, crMoV steels, poorly heat treated D2, base 420, any 420hc that isn't Buck's). I doubt you even ever used it tbh, just like many other people online, but I digress. People have posted very helpful and constructive replies, whether or not they were denying what I said in the post is irrelevant, what matters is the truth on the matter, and I absolutely don't mind people disproving or adding to what I've said with facts and educated knowledge instead of some know-it-all superiority complex.
 
y53p said:
what matters is the truth on the matter
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Like all the "truths" you have said about 440A? You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried.

Look, I don't mind your opinions just as I don't mind giving my own (440A sucks), but when you come on a knife forum making statements that 440 has better edge retention than 3V and provide incorrect data, you lose all credibility. Your "opinions" are not "truths" - there's a difference.

As I said, you should have stopped at "I like 440A".
 
y53p said:
lmao. Magnacut has around the same carbon as 440c (with 440c peaking at 1.2%, which makes it potentially higher than MC's 1.15), 440c has higher chromium (MC has 10%, 440c has 18%), which makes MC way less rust resistant than 440c, and this all goes without considering the fact that magna cut knives cost $200+, and that is just speaking for edc folders. You won't find a magnacut large fixed blade from a proper brand at in the $100-200 range, but you will find many in the same price range made from 440c.
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Your one dimensional analysis is refuted by Larrin Larrin 's real world tests:

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shane45-1911 said:
Like all the "truths" you have said about 440A? You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried.

Look, I don't mind your opinions just as I don't mind giving my own (440A sucks), but when you come on a knife forum making statements that 440 has better edge retention than 3V and provide incorrect data, you lose all credibility.

As I said, you should have stopped at "I like 440A".
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I stated no truth, just my personal experience and my limited knowledge of the chemical compounds that make up those steels lmfao. You are the one not talking about how the chemicals react with each other or how carbides make a big difference when going from one steel to the other. Other people in the thread have pointed out these facts in a constructive way, all you've done was point fingers, judge or simply state personal opinions.
 
y53p said:
lmao. Magnacut has around the same carbon as 440c (with 440c peaking at 1.2%, which makes it potentially higher than MC's 1.15), 440c has higher chromium (MC has 10%, 440c has 18%), which makes MC way less rust resistant than 440c, and this all goes without considering the fact that magna cut knives cost $200+, and that is just speaking for edc folders. You won't find a magnacut large fixed blade from a proper brand at in the $100-200 range, but you will find many in the same price range made from 440c.
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If only I had consulted you while developing the product I could have avoided those mistakes.
 
Larrin said:
If only I had consulted you while developing the product I could have avoided those mistakes.
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I'm concerned that the OP won't understand that you're the mastermind behind Magnacut and an authority on the subject.

But also, What steels are worse than 440C, and why is it all of them?
Please don't use any of your science- tell us how you feel about these steels, and please emphasize the wisdom of our grandfathers.
 
Larrin said:
If only I had consulted you while developing the product I could have avoided those mistakes.
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lol maybe next time. I'm not a full time knife maker or metallurgist lol, I'll say that much to my own defense. Thanks for the in depth answer too and the lack of self contained witty remarks or superiority complex, appreciate it.
 
y53p said:
lol maybe next time. I'm not a full time knife maker or metallurgist lol, I'll say that much to my own defense. Thanks for the in depth answer too and the lack of self contained witty remarks or superiority complex, appreciate it.
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The mods would like us to discuss knives, not each other, but I guess that ship has sailed 🚢, the train has left the station 🚂, and the chick has fledged 🐥
 
There's a certain symmetry in Larrin having the (next to) last word...especially since I've recently dropped a bundle on a couple of Sebenzas in MagnaCut.

(I should have held out for 440 series, but CRK just won't listen to reason.)

That's a wrap, folks. (It lasted longer than I expected.)
 
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