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Some people are a little too emotionally unstable and hypersensitive when it comes to simple and polite discussion. Good lord, how embarrasing to get butt hurt over something so trivial really, as if life and death hung itself in the balance. :rolleyes:
 
What?!?! You mean life isn't hanging in the balance over which sword is closer to that sword, or this one, or most efficient at stabbing or slashing? Good gosh, man, where are you priorities? I'm going to have to report you!

RevDevil said:
Some people are a little too emotionally unstable and hypersensitive when it comes to simple and polite discussion. Good lord, how embarrasing to get butt hurt over something so trivial really, as if life and death hung itself in the balance. :rolleyes:
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On the bright side, lots of nice sword pictures.....Everyone has their preferences. Me, if there was any way I could get my hand in a 1796 Light Cavalry saber, I would love to have one. I handled a replica at the Cold Steel parking lot sale a few years back and felt like I needed to soap up to get back out of the knucklebow--cavalrymen must have tiny hands. I love that you guys are passionate about your interests, but the whole curved vs. point thing was debated to death (literally) when opposing cavalries actually put steel to steel. The unfair weapon was always on the other guy's side, for some reason. Patton's theories of sword combat never really got their trial by fire, I wonder what would have happened if they had.
 
BitingSarcasm said:
On the bright side, lots of nice sword pictures.....Everyone has their preferences. Me, if there was any way I could get my hand in a 1796 Light Cavalry saber, I would love to have one. I handled a replica at the Cold Steel parking lot sale a few years back and felt like I needed to soap up to get back out of the knucklebow--cavalrymen must have tiny hands. I love that you guys are passionate about your interests, but the whole curved vs. point thing was debated to death (literally) when opposing cavalries actually put steel to steel. The unfair weapon was always on the other guy's side, for some reason. Patton's theories of sword combat never really got their trial by fire, I wonder what would have happened if they had.
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You are right. Cavalry must have been the airforce of its day.
:-p
 
I thought the whole point of the Patton was horseback charging, anyway. I doubt it's first purpose was gentlemanly duels or fencing. He planned on riding in and stabbing as many enemies as possible. Even parrying with it was probably an afterthought. Kind of a break from the current thinking of the time, and probably, truly, "nicer", in a way. Unless you get perforated through some vital spot, it's likely to heal quicker while still probably putting you out of the current engagement, as opposed to a slash which would likely at least go to the bone, and need a lot of aftercare. Kind of like being shot through with a bullet rather than it hitting and fragmenting, which is why jacketed rounds are preferred in warfare and hollow points aren't. I think that's in the Geneva Convention, if I remember right- the bullet thing, not the swords.
 
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Here are some pictures and discussion about the 1911 saber
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/104810-m1911-patton/?

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I don't understand why you would loose your mind when horseclover kindly posted a letter from Robert Heinlein himself where he plainly stated:
"When I wrote GLORY ROAD, I simply described my Navy Sword." :confused:

I think its cool he brought a actual sword into his story. :thumbup:

Oh and thanks for all the awesome sword pix guys!!!!!! :thumbup:
 
Well, at least it's not an epic flameout on the scale of that Stowe guy. That was legendary. I honestly don't get the problem. What, are we in kindergarten that we have to leave in a huff because someone disagrees with our ideas and even has some evidence to support their contentions? I thought both perspectives were interesting, and got some interest in both swords mentioned. Frankly, though, if you can't even handle some disagreement or criticism, you're gonna have a tough time on ANY internet forum.
 
Jody Samson created other SciFi swords such as the John Carter sword of Barsoom
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/930871-John-Carter-quot-Sword-quot

http://filmswords.com/frazetta/martian-longsword.htm


A stand alone Patton sword thread posted by the OP would probably have ruffled his sensibilities as well if I posted more background than he might be aware of. It took two trys for him to post the cavalry journal piece he cut and pasted, without bothering to cite the source.

Again, I happen to think the Patton replicas (there have been a few) are a decent buy but when one considers originals are still plentiful and mid three figure, I have to wonder how much passion Raymond really has for the form. I also don't deny his take on the Glory Road as being fit but the comparison ludicrous when comparing it to Heinlein's description.

As for pretty pictures, if Blade Forums were to grant me honorary priviledges to attach photos, I'd upload a great many more but as it is, I post a great number of photos anyway as a regular base user. So far, I am the only one posting pictures and informational links to this thread.

If "we" are the Marx bros, I want to be Chico ;)

GC
 
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I thought the whole point of the Patton was horseback charging, anyway. I doubt it's first purpose was gentlemanly duels or fencing. He planned on riding in and stabbing as many enemies as possible. Even parrying with it was probably an afterthought. Kind of a break from the current thinking of the time, and probably, truly, "nicer", in a way. Unless you get perforated through some vital spot, it's likely to heal quicker while still probably putting you out of the current engagement, as opposed to a slash which would likely at least go to the bone, and need a lot of aftercare. Kind of like being shot through with a bullet rather than it hitting and fragmenting, which is why jacketed rounds are preferred in warfare and hollow points aren't. I think that's in the Geneva Convention, if I remember right- the bullet thing, not the swords.
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I don't know what to think about Patton. His fans are quite....vigorous in his promotion. Observers of the time noted behavior that was borderline sociopathic, particularly when it came to fencing. The man was obsessed with how he would have killed a man with real steel, crowing about the "injuries" he was inflicting. I wouldn't have fenced him, the same way I don't start a conversation with a guy muttering to himself on the street. He had a belief in his personal invincibility and immortality that served him well though. I just remember reading too many accounts of French duels using smallsword and rapier where both fighters died due to mortal thrusts taking too long to kill, giving the other man time to give as good as he got. Get poked in the right place with a pencil and it's immediate lights out, but the human body is absolutely amazing in its ability to survive. Despite the oft-cited "point" quote, Napoleon's preferred weapon was artillery, and his elite troops used a whopping big axe, not a sword. All of my perforations have healed up nicely, but I still have an irritating scar on my thumb from drawing a sharp katana improperly--it's from Idiot-O, not Iato
 
crimsonfalcon07 said:
Well, at least it's not an epic flameout on the scale of that Stowe guy. That was legendary. I honestly don't get the problem. What, are we in kindergarten that we have to leave in a huff because someone disagrees with our ideas and even has some evidence to support their contentions? I thought both perspectives were interesting, and got some interest in both swords mentioned. Frankly, though, if you can't even handle some disagreement or criticism, you're gonna have a tough time on ANY internet forum.
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ERMAGERD thanks for the reminder. I've been on BF for more than ten years, and that was the BEST thread I have ever read. Ever. On this forum or any other.
 
If this was happening in a parking lot the guys in question would be arrested.

If I have anything to say about it, you guys will be arrested.
 
Raymond1000 said:
If this was happening in a parking lot the guys in question would be arrested.

If I have anything to say about it, you guys will be arrested.
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Seriously?
Someone had their Drama Flakes for breakfast. :rolleyes:

[video=youtube;mBGB_xsi5T8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBGB_xsi5T8[/video]
 
Raymond1000 said:
If this was happening in a parking lot the guys in question would be arrested.

If I have anything to say about it, you guys will be arrested.
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For what crime? Stating the truth? Daring to disagree with you by using facts and citing sources? For having the balls to politely disagree with you on a public forum? Because they dare to have a different opinion than what you would like to be true?

Get a life. Better yet, go away like you have already said you were going to do. I have better things to do than read autocratic diatribes.
 
Raymond1000 said:
If this was happening in a parking lot the guys in question would be arrested.

If I have anything to say about it, you guys will be arrested.
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I thought you left. You posted a thread and everything. I keep re-reading this thread, and I do not understand where this is coming from.
 
BitingSarcasm said:
I don't know what to think about Patton. His fans are quite....vigorous in his promotion. Observers of the time noted behavior that was borderline sociopathic, particularly when it came to fencing. The man was obsessed with how he would have killed a man with real steel, crowing about the "injuries" he was inflicting. I wouldn't have fenced him, the same way I don't start a conversation with a guy muttering to himself on the street. He had a belief in his personal invincibility and immortality that served him well though. I just remember reading too many accounts of French duels using smallsword and rapier where both fighters died due to mortal thrusts taking too long to kill, giving the other man time to give as good as he got. Get poked in the right place with a pencil and it's immediate lights out, but the human body is absolutely amazing in its ability to survive. Despite the oft-cited "point" quote, Napoleon's preferred weapon was artillery, and his elite troops used a whopping big axe, not a sword. All of my perforations have healed up nicely, but I still have an irritating scar on my thumb from drawing a sharp katana improperly--it's from Idiot-O, not Iato
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I see nothing in Pattons psychological profile, which didnt serve him well in his capacity as a front line general (shrugs).
He fit in quite well, was not there to make friends and was a most excellent general. Ill take Patton over Dugout Doug any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I used to fence and liked it a lot. I dearly miss fencing, but had to retire due to severely torn ligaments. The abrupt 'bounce back' was no fun with ligament damage.
Anywho...., the capabilities which made Patton an excellent frontline general would also stand him in good stead as a world class fencer; aggression in that respect is a good thing.

......and back to blades; Im into 1796 sabres but knew of the Patton blade, this thread has rekindled my interest in them. Ill have to keep an eye out for one.
 
Raymond1000 said:
If this was happening in a parking lot the guys in question would be arrested.

If I have anything to say about it, you guys will be arrested.
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If I am interpreting this correctly and you want people arrested for disagreeing with you (or even telling fibs on the internet), please understand a couple of things:
1) you don't have anything to say about it. Even if you were in office you would have no influence whatsoever in that regard, and
2) that's a good thing, because law enforcement have an actual job to do, but
3) comparing swords and having arguments in a parking lot is indeed likely to end badly ;)

The knowledge of everyone who has contributed to this thread is astounding. I have a long way to go before I can consider myself as understanding swords and their users to anywhere near this degree.
 
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