Magnesium (Doan) Fire Starters: Good? or bad?

Chemically, magnesium is a strong reducing agent, meaning it is strongly reactive with anything that can give it oxygen (or any other ion that will accept electrons). That includes many chemicals in us humans. Burning magnesium can even continue to burn in carbon dioxide - it is reactive enough to split the oxygen out of the CO2. Don't try to put it out with a CO2 extinguisher! This is easily shown by burning a candle in a jar until it goes out - jar now full of CO2. Then, lower in some burning magnesium ribbon. It dims, but carries on burning and leaves black soot (the displaced carbon from the CO2) in the jar.

As far as it being a dietary mineral goes, it is one of the required elements. However, that doesn't mean you can eat it pure. It must be in a compound with other things. In the pure state, it is poisonous if swallowed or inhaled (dust), is a severe irritant and a vesicant (causes blistering/tissue damage).

The 'smoke', magnesium oxide, is also a respiratory and eye irritant.
Having said all that, as a science teacher I have burned, and allowed pupils to burn, a great quantity of magnesium over the years, even collecting the magnesium oxide that remained for further experiment. It hasn't done me any harm in any way. Unlike the concentrated hydogen peroxide and concentrated ammonia. Now they are nasty!

In short, provided you don't eat it or breath too much smoke, it probably won't do you any harm at all.

In my (somewhat limited) experience of using the magnesium blocks for fire starting, I much prefer vaselined cotton balls. In their absence though, finding dry tinder in the (wet, cold) UK is harder than shaving some magnesium and using it to light some thin wood shavings.

Rick.
 
I always carry Sparky attached to a small fixed blade I wear around my neck.

http://www.wisementrading.com/firestarters/magnesium.htm

As a Skam said, very reliable... can get wet, tough, lasts forever. A must as one of several fire making methods to carry. No execuse not to carry one as small as they make them now.

I make a tinder bundle (like a bird nest) and pour the shavings into the center. I don't usually get a flame when the magnesium ingnites, but a coal in my fine tinder that I have to blow into flame, this is when you find out just how important a tinder bundle is and you learn not to focus just on ignition.
 
To respond to the question about breathing fumes, when it burns it produces magnesium oxide. This experiment found no particular problem:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9370520

not long, read down about 3/4 to find their conclusion, and note they're talking about "high doses" of fumes. Whatever we get exposed to out in the open should be infinitely small.

You may have heard of zinc oxide, that's a whole 'nuther dangerous problem that welders are exposed to.

I have no problem with my Doan's block, I use it with and without shavings. Just to satisfy my own curiousity, I just now took a cottonball outside, put it on the snow in a light breeze, and torched it on the first scratch. I've used the mag block successfully on a few outdoor fires this winter.

I generally put my tinder nest right under my pile of fine kindling so I don't have to worry about transferring it to the pile...and as Skunk and others have said, I make sure I've got plenty of tinder and kindling on hand, and bigger material, before I even get started. Good thread :)
 
Anyone ever tried a fire piston?

I bought one for $25 it took 3 tries to start a fire now I can get a glowing ember everytime, it's a unique firestarting system that uses compression to generate heat, much like a diesel engine does, it's a great tool but when the time comes to venture out into the weeds you'll always find a magnisium firestarter and a bic type lighter in my pockets, the fire piston usually stays in camp or a BOB in the truck.

Google it, here is a link to a video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2535373405603057251
 
Thanks Skunk For a really well thought out post. :thumbup: You Da Man :D

I am In the warm and fuzzy camp for these I have had good results but must admit i have not tried plain Ferro rods and have often used these just for that not using the magnezium at all. when i did use the magnezim i had similar results to those listed and learned that this was meant to be an additive to tinder and not tinder by itself.

Also thanks Gibsonfan for the link, My next question was where to get a smaller more compact one. :) I was thinking about cutting a regular size one lengthwise.
 
Thanks Skunk For a really well thought out post. :thumbup: You Da Man :D

Also thanks Gibsonfan for the link, My next question was where to get a smaller more compact one. :) I was thinking about cutting a regular size one lengthwise.

I cut mine lengthwise as well with a hacksaw in a vice. Cheaper than buying smaller versions.

No there isn't any flames.;)

Skam
 
I`ve got one of those, but i never could get the magnesium to work just right. Oh, it`d burn.. Sure enough.. With a flash.
But the small filings just scatters all over, not to mention if it might be dark, and you`re cold and wet.

So i just popped the ferrocerium rod out of the magnesium block, and carry that along with a few other items, in a small psk in my pocket.
(I had to shorten it slightly, to make it fit.)
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I really like fatwood. It`s easy to shave, and it smells nice too. Magnesium just... Well... Doesn`t. :rolleyes: :D
(I have been thinking about adding a small jar or vial of magnesium-shavings to carry though. Cause it sure burns hot.)

That looks like a VERY handy little pocket kit buddy. :thumbup:
 
I like my Doan bar, it's a good item to have handy. I bought it since it seemed to be a quintessential piece of gear that I didn't have, but I really came to like it once I started using it.

Mine cost about $6.99 delivered.
 
I love mine. I couldn't find those Doan-brand ones here and I read over at the other forums Coghlan's ones weren't up to task (ferro rod falls of mag bar easily when dropped). So when I had the chance to take a trip to Saipan and saw one in an outdoor shop, I grabbed one! Does take a bit of practice but it's a SIMPLE, FUNCTIONAL and STURDY piece of gear. Prized categories for survival items.
 
I`ve got one of those, but i never could get the magnesium to work just right. Oh, it`d burn.. Sure enough.. With a flash.
But the small filings just scatters all over, not to mention if it might be dark, and you`re cold and wet.

So i just popped the ferrocerium rod out of the magnesium block, and carry that along with a few other items, in a small psk in my pocket.
(I had to shorten it slightly, to make it fit.)
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I really like fatwood. It`s easy to shave, and it smells nice too. Magnesium just... Well... Doesn`t. :rolleyes: :D
(I have been thinking about adding a small jar or vial of magnesium-shavings to carry though. Cause it sure burns hot.)


Alright this seems like a pretty cool kit that i easily have the parts to make. My questions are as follows

1. do you really need 3 ferro rods ?

2. does the ceramic rod Aid in fire starting or is it for sharpening ?

3. isnt the striker on the bottom a small flint that can spark with a steel it is on my case like this. (I started a fire with this striker and it wasnt easy)
 
This may be pretty obvious to us, but you'd be surprised how many people "hit" the ferrocerium rod with the striker/knife as if it were flint and steel, as opposed to scraping it down the rod. I caught part of a survivor episode where the people were trying that and they couldn't catch the tinder.
 
EmsRescueGuy:
1. No, i don`t need three ferro rods. I just have the three different sizes, to see which one i like the most, and which one is easiest to use. I`m worried with the Hoods Woods one, which is pretty thin, that it might break if i press too hard. The doans one is pretty good, so i think this might be the one that stays.
The one off ebay is actually more my preferred size, but in a kit this small, i also have to think about what else i can fit in there, so this one might not stay.

2. Only for sharpening. As i always carry with me atleast a SAK, it`s good to have something for sharpening too.

3. No, it`s a striker for matches. Safety matches at that.
 
EmsRescueGuy:
1. No, i don`t need three ferro rods. I just have the three different sizes, to see which one i like the most, and which one is easiest to use. I`m worried with the Hoods Woods one, which is pretty thin, that it might break if i press too hard. The doans one is pretty good, so i think this might be the one that stays.
The one off ebay is actually more my preferred size, but in a kit this small, i also have to think about what else i can fit in there, so this one might not stay.

2. Only for sharpening. As i always carry with me atleast a SAK, it`s good to have something for sharpening too.

3. No, it`s a striker for matches. Safety matches at that.


Thank You I was really curious about the ceramic I thought mabey there was a new trick to be learned :thumbup:
 
Hey Skunker....

Excellent post....

I agree with you completely...

Prepping the fire is by far the most important thing in firemaking, and as well can take the longest to do...

Trouter...

I was misinformed about these things. I was under the assumption that the magnesium was going to work like a tinder. Boy was I surprised when the flame was gone in a heartbeat.

In fact magnesium in this form is actually as tinder,, as far as I'm concerned..I look at Char cloth, fatwood shavings, cotton balls soaked in PJ or not the same way..

However with magnesium I consider it to be a "flash" tinder...
Takes a spark, burns and is gone,, just that fast...

I consider anything that takes, holds or combusts by spark, pressure or friction to be a Tinder.

Gasoline can be used as a tinder...

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
Good points about magnesium being a tinder or not... yes, of course it is, as many have pointed out, it just doesn't last long. So you need other material to catch its heat and burn longer. No one expects to make dinner over a fire of JUST cotton balls or fuzz-sticks, right? Building a fire goes in stages, magnesium is just the first step. Or actually, one of many possible first steps.
 
Yes they work very well. A little practice with the right technique and I think you will be thouroughly impressed. Ever tried a friction fire before? They are a fun and rewarding way of challenging yourself, if your into challenges.
 
3. isnt the striker on the bottom a small flint that can spark with a steel it is on my case like this. (I started a fire with this striker and it wasnt easy)

EmsRescueGuy:
3. No, it`s a striker for matches. Safety matches at that.

I have the same exact match case and I could never figure out what the thing on the bottom was. I couldn't get it to spark by hitting it with a knife, it doesn't look or smell like a safety match striker, and it's too smooth to strike strike-anywhere matches on.
 
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