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whp said:
Look at the Endura. I can snag my fingertip on the blade tip when closed.
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Oh yahhhhh ? ! :mad:
. . . wellllll . . . I'll be right back.:(

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Wheeeeeyoooo:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: !
That was close ! One of my all time favorite users . . . flawed ? ??
Nope she's fine (Green ZDP-189). Try as I might can't get my finger down in there. You must have one of those "funny" sPyDeRcOs from down China or Mexico way.

Had me going there for a second. A New York second.
 
twinboysdad said:
Switchblades at school in Jr High? Ya'll some hood rats
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Nah . . . nice wholesome kids . . .
I was smoking is sixth grade . . . hung out with a cowboy kid (last name was crook if there ever was an irony)(stay tuned) we were walking home together and there was this gigantic fat kid waving a good sized knife all around, there was a whole ring of gawkers around him keeping their distance. The kid was saying "COME ON ! I'LL TAKE ANY OF YOU ON" etc., etc., etc..
Well this bad ass cowboy kid I was walking with just worked his way through the ring of kids, walked over to the fat kid with the knife and flattened him and kept walking.

Due to some, shall we say trouble with authority type figures I stopped hanging with the cowboy, stopped smoking, and then went to a different school since 7th grade was in a different location.

So yah . . .
 
Hickory n steel said:
just another good reason to love lockbacks and slipjoints.
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I just tried my Buck 110 opens easy as the Milli or more so (I Spyder drop it when ever I open it). What I am saying is there is nothing failsafe about the lock back. By the way my Endura takes considerably more force to open than my 110 (Endura is a lock back) but still no guarantee.

Slip joints . . . I don't know . . . jury's out on that one. I have had slipies open in my pocket but mostly because I have been unconsciously pinching them open and closed while I talked to some one etc. Yah that's a wake up call the first time it is sticking through your pocket and the more you try to disengage it the more it opens. I finally had to just stop doing that.
 
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And since I am totally hogging the thread . . .
again . . .
let us travel back in time, back, back, back to the OPs photo of the pocket.
Note that the pocket appears to be made from a net fabric.
And if one were to DESIGN a fabric with the greatest chance to snag on the tip of a closed knife blade tip WHAT kind of fabric would one choose ? ? ?

I submit that from crouching and standing, maybe even getting in and out of a vehicle that the net got up in the slot of the handle, perhaps even lifting the knife up part way out of the pocket and then when he subconsciously pushed it back down it cut through the side of his pants.

Or some stuff like that ? . ?. ?
 
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I had a Spyderco Paramilitary open in my pocket once. Can't remember how though. Cut my thigh a little.

I'm not a fan of the back pocket carry. Likely due to my job. I always figured it is in a place you are least likely to be able to protect it. I see cops with that clip hanging off their back pocket or sap pocket (side of left thigh). You are making it available to anyone that wants it while you are wrestling around with their buddy who "didn't do anything!"

I'm a waistband guy for most clip on folders. Right front shirt pocket in uniform.

It's a weapon. Or, can be used as one. I want to be able to protect it.
 
Sgt 127 said:
I had a Spyderco Paramilitary open in my pocket once. Can't remember how though. Cut my thigh a little.

I'm not a fan of the back pocket carry. Likely due to my job. I always figured it is in a place you are least likely to be able to protect it. I see cops with that clip hanging off their back pocket or sap pocket (side of left thigh). You are making it available to anyone that wants it while you are wrestling around with their buddy who "didn't do anything!"

I'm a waistband guy for most clip on folders. Right front shirt pocket in uniform.

It's a weapon. Or, can be used as one. I want to be able to protect it.
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I cannot disagree with your facts there.
I will submit my experience :
I carry front right until I ride my bicycle to work or home then she gets put in right rear (as long as blade faces corner of pocket; if not then it goes into my bike bag. Well that's not exactly true I've only had trouble with my 710 all others never a prob. Lucky? ? ? (I also carry a short neck knife ONLY when on the bike for unsocialized dogs on the bike path).

So one morning I am riding down grade to work, whizzing along 25 mph or so and a big O' cat runs out from under a parked car and hits my front wheel turning the wheel ninety degrees to direction of travel. I hate when that happens.
Obviously I am now cart wheeling down the road then sliding on my butt cheek on the pavement.
Road rash ?
Nope not on butt . . . my reinforced nylon lock back was in my back pocket and I slid on that. Hardly even scuffed up the knife handle.

Back pocket carry may save your butt some day. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
 
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Wowbagger said:
I just tried my Buck 110 opens easy as the Milli or more so (I Spyder drop it when ever I open it). What I am saying is there is nothing failsafe about the lock back. By the way my Endura takes considerably more force to open than my 110 (Endura is a lock back) but still no guarantee.

Slip joints . . . I don't know . . . jury's out on that one. I have had slipies open in my pocket but mostly because I have been unconsciously pinching them open and closed while I talked to some one etc. Yah that's a wake up call the first time it is sticking through your pocket and the more you try to disengage it the more it opens. I finally had to just stop doing that.
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I don't think a knife that's meant to carry in the leather sheath it comes with is a good example for this, but I understand you're point that some aren't that hard to open and that there's probably a few out there that can open in your pocket.
There is certainly no 100% failsafe, but it's a lot less likely if not really unlikely for a traditional knife to ever open in you're pocket.
 
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Btw many knives are able to open in pocket because there handle is clipped in place, they often don't weigh enough to overcome the opening Force without momentum or resistance against the handle.
Try to pull a knife open without holding it's handle, and chances are the whole thing will move.
 
Wowbagger said:
Agreed. Mostly I was just making fun of my stupidity on that one.
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So you're standing there in front of someone figiting with something in your pocket, and it never occurred to you that it probably looks like you're playing pocket pool ?

You must really not care about what people think of you :D
 
Wowbagger said:
Nah . . . nice wholesome kids . . .
I was smoking is sixth grade . . . hung out with a cowboy kid (last name was crook if there ever was an irony)(stay tuned) we were walking home together and there was this gigantic fat kid waving a good sized knife all around, there was a whole ring of gawkers around him keeping their distance. The kid was saying "COME ON ! I'LL TAKE ANY OF YOU ON" etc., etc., etc..
Well this bad ass cowboy kid I was walking with just worked his way through the ring of kids, walked over to the fat kid with the knife and flattened him and kept walking.

Due to some, shall we say trouble with authority type figures I stopped hanging with the cowboy, stopped smoking, and then went to a different school since 7th grade was in a different location.

So yah . . .
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Ummmm... That was me dude. Still smokinnnn' ;) (not really)

Sgt 127 said:
I had a Spyderco Paramilitary open in my pocket once. Can't remember how though. Cut my thigh a little.

I'm not a fan of the back pocket carry. Likely due to my job. I always figured it is in a place you are least likely to be able to protect it. I see cops with that clip hanging off their back pocket or sap pocket (side of left thigh). You are making it available to anyone that wants it while you are wrestling around with their buddy who "didn't do anything!"

I'm a waistband guy for most clip on folders. Right front shirt pocket in uniform.

It's a weapon. Or, can be used as one. I want to be able to protect it.
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"It's a weapon. Or, can be used as one. I want to be able to protect it"

I said that somewhere here... Good luck!
 
Zombie411 said:
I had to make an assumption on how this could physically happen.
My thought is... with the extremely tight pocket clips on many of these knives, and the razor sharp blades that most of them have...
I had assumed the knife was opening, and catching fabric WHILE the OP was pushing the clip over fabric, and in place.

The friction of the clip could easily mask the blade slicing thru the fabric.
That was just my idea of what happened.
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Yes I assume this is how it happened as well, as it fits perfectly with my experience stated earlier.
 
Wowbagger said:
Oh yahhhhh ? ! :mad:
. . . wellllll . . . I'll be right back.:(

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Wheeeeeyoooo:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: !
That was close ! One of my all time favorite users . . . flawed ? ??
Nope she's fine (Green ZDP-189). Try as I might can't get my finger down in there. You must have one of those "funny" sPyDeRcOs from down China or Mexico way.

Had me going there for a second. A New York second.
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In fairness I ve sharpened it so many times now that the blade has ben slightly shortened a few millimeters and the tip guard function of the handles is compromised. One of the first flat ground blade Enduras on the market. Has been a great user and is still a favorite. Love the zdp189.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Wow. Can't say as I've ever heard of that one before. Most of the knives I carry these days are fixed blades or slipjoints, but when using a pocket clip I always have the spine of the knife tight against the pocket edge.
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This is safer with a Spyderhole (or flipper), but it does not prevent the handle from rotating back if the pocket edge pinches a dual thumb stud type knife, and something swipes the handle "open" through your pants... On the contrary, the spine against the pocket edge is exactly why a dual thumb stud will get pinched, because the fabric "converges" towards the pocket edge...

Tip down is more dangerous because a blade poking through pants is held rigidly after it has poked through... Tip up will tend not to poke through like this. A rigidly held "poking out" tip is pure murder, and the absolute worst case scenario...

Spyderco designs tend to have a broad portion of the blade sticking outside the handle when closed, so, as liner locks, anything hitting at this broad blade portion in the pocket could overcome the detent. The detent can always be defeated in any number of accidental ways: In Spydercos I would only carry lockbacks, and the Civilian is even safer with its tip turned down deep into the handle: I trust the Civilian more for that reason alone, and it is one of the reasons I carry nothing else without a pouch...

The OP's predicament happened to me with a CRKT Apache tip down in the back pocket, spine against pocket edge, dual stud held pinched by the pocket, the handle moving back, 1/2" of the blade poking out, slicing my finger deep enough to send me to the hospital: Never carried liner locks again.

Gaston
 
Gaston444 said:
This is safer with a Spyderhole (or flipper), but it does not prevent the handle from rotating back if the pocket edge pinches a dual thumb stud type knife, and something swipes the handle "open" through your pants... On the contrary, the spine against the pocket edge is exactly why a dual thumb stud will get pinched, because the fabric "converges" towards the pocket edge...

Tip down is more dangerous because a blade poking through pants is held rigidly after it has poked through... Tip up will tend not to poke through like this. A rigidly held "poking out" tip is pure murder, and the absolute worst case scenario...

Spyderco designs tend to have a broad portion of the blade sticking outside the handle when closed, so, as liner locks, anything hitting at this broad blade portion in the pocket could overcome the detent. The detent can always be defeated in any number of accidental ways: In Spydercos I would only carry lockbacks, and the Civilian is even safer with its tip turned down deep into the handle: I trust the Civilian more for that reason alone, and it is one of the reasons I carry nothing else without a pouch...

The OP's predicament happened to me with a CRKT Apache tip down in the back pocket, spine against pocket edge, dual stud held pinched by the pocket, the handle moving back, 1/2" of the blade poking out, slicing my finger deep enough to send me to the hospital: Never carried liner locks again.

Gaston
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I prefer tip-up carry, generally, but I'd still carry a tip-down-only studded folder with the spine against the edge of my back right pocket. That particular position is very secure, as--being along the side of the buttock--it doesn't generally predispose itself towards shifting along the edge of the pocket and it's out of the way of most scuffing motions that could jostle it.
 
Oh man. I'm gonna be checking my Millie every 5 minutes now. I had something similar happen with a Kershaw Lahar. (tip up carry) The flipper got pushed in inside the pocket somehow and the blade opened just enough to slightly nick me on the finger when I reached for it. I don't carry it much anymore.
 
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