Non-American Bowie-type knives

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Although the term Bowie knife is certainly an American one, it's well known that many of the pieces denoted by it have been made outside the US, most prominently in England, which exported large quantities of Bowies to the US in the 19th and 20th centuries. To cite but one historical account, Francis Sheridan wrote once, in connection with a series of murders in what was then the Republic of Texas, that "most of the Bowie knives in use are manufactured in Sheffield and Birmingham and brought over in British ships."

However, England is not the only country besides the US in which knives of this kind have been historically made. Indeed, several other nations, especially in Europe, have long traditions making such blades, going back to the 19th century and even earlier than that, even if the term Bowie knife has not been usually used to refer to them. Thus, it seems appropriate to open a thread to share images and information about Bowie knives – or Bowie-type knives for the purists out there – made outside the US, and potentially also outside England. For these purposes, I suggest we adopt Harold L. Peterson's definition, which provides a clear idea of what a prototypical knife of this kind is but also gives room for some variability: "The bowie in its purest form will be considered a large knife with a clip point. Other knives [...] will also be classed as bowies but with qualifications describing either the point, the size, or any other feature that causes them to vary from the pure form." I'll start with three knives from my modest collection that I've already shown in other threads.

The first knife I want to share is one made by F. Herder Abr. Sohn of Solingen, Germany, probably around the turn of the 19th to the 20th century, although there is no Germany stamped on the blade. As you'll see in the picture below, this piece, featuring an 8" clip-point blade, seems to follow a pattern by Joseph Rodgers & Sons of Sheffield. If you want to help me date this knife, or are interested in Herder Bowies in general, check out this thread.

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The second knife I want to share is a hunting plug bayonet made by the Fábrica de Toledo, Spain, in 1880. Perhaps not many will feel inclined to label this piece as a Bowie knife, but it does match Peterson's definition, featuring a 6 1/2" blade with a very pronounced clipped point, which, as shown in the picture below, is beautifully etched in acid. Moreover, it's often said that the development of the American Bowie knife was largely influenced by the Spanish knife-making tradition, and this seems fairly plausible when we look at examples such as this one, especially those made in the 1700s and early 1800s. Note that the sheath is not original to the knife; I'll probably create a post in the appropriate subforum talking about it at some point.

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Finally, I couldn't end this post without including a knife made in England. The knife pictured below, featuring a 7" clipped-point blade, is a rather plain piece made by Cambridge Cutlery Works around the turn of the 19th to the 20th century, as evidenced by the England stamped on the ricasso.

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Be welcome to comment and/or share other examples, especially (though not exclusively) from your personal collections or your friends'. This may also include modern imports from countries such as Pakistan or India (the latter of which has a very interesting tradition making knives of this kind), so long as you feel there's something of note about them.

Cheers,
C.

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I picked up this used Linder 440-A Stainless Bowie at a gun show without a sheath. Got the sheath out of a $3 box at the same show. I can store the knife in the sheath.

That's a very handsome knife, and $3 seems like a great deal for what looks to be a well-made sheath. I've been wanting a Linder for a while, but I haven't been able to find a good price.

Sticking with the theme of German knives, here's one by Hygrade Cutlery Co. that I found in pretty rough shape a couple years ago, probably made between the 1950s and 1970s:

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I find it interesting that by every account I've read about Jim Bowie's knife is that it resembled a chef's knife. Whether or not this is a replica of the original, this seems to be the general idea.

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Now, as far as what we all call a Bowie knife, my understanding is that the original shape was based off of Spanish Navaja's.
 
I find it interesting that by every account I've read about Jim Bowie's knife is that it resembled a chef's knife. [...] Now, as far as what we all call a Bowie knife, my understanding is that the original shape was based off of Spanish Navaja's.
That seems about right. As far as I'm aware, the first written record indicating that James Bowie's sandbar knife was a butcher knife came from his brother, Rezin Bowie, Jr., in a letter to the newspaper The Planter's Advocate.

As for the role of navajas, I've heard the same. However, if there was any notable Spanish influence, I think it would be hard to determine whether it came mostly from navajas or from fixed-blade knives, or from both equally. The reason is that both types of knives commonly featured the clipped-point shape that became characteristic of Bowie knives, like the bayonet I showed in the original post (which also features a characteristic crossguard). Below I include pictures of three more examples - the first two reportedly from the 18th century and the third from the 19th century if I'm not mistaken (this one is shown in a great video on the concept of cuchillo flamenco):

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Still, it has to be pointed out that certain blades from other European (as well as non-European) countries were also characterized by the clipped-point shape. For example, below is a picture of a 15th-century falchion:

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Cheers!
 
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Here is a Linder Croc Hunter in 440-A shown with a Buck 120 for size comparison.

That's a serious piece of steel.

Since Germany has been well represented, I figured I'd move to Eastern blades. Interestingly, several versions and copies of Western Bowie-type models -- especially German ones -- were made in Japan and exported to the US in the second half of the 1900s. These often featured cheap faux antler handles, like the Monarch 2171 pictured below, the design and name of which clearly followed the German-made Sabre Monarch 171, which also had the phrase Original Bowie Knife (ubiquitous when it comes to German-made Bowies from the late 1990s) stamped in Gothic font. Next to it it is an old blank I bought some time ago, corresponding to the Arkansas Toothpick import model sold by Ideal Products, which I believe was sold with real jigged bone scales.

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Some of these models featured more than decent carbon steel blades, even if they came with cheap plastic handles, which is I like buying them for projects when the price is right. Last year, for example, before I got the Monarch pictured above, I bought another 2171, cleaned up the blade, gave it a buffalo horn handle, and gifted it to a friend for his birthday. Below is a picture (I'm not much of a cutler, obviously):

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Hello everybody,

I figured I'd use this thread to share two non-American Bowies I came across online recently, both which have some interesting features and/or history, and one of which I have since procured.

The first one -- and the one I ended up buying -- is what seems to be a typical German "Original Bowie Knife" example, made by R. J. Richter. What's interesting in this case is that, although R. J. Richter was a German company, this example is actually marked as being made in England, as shown in the pictures below -- something I haven't seen on any knife stamped "Original Bowie Knife" before, or on any other knife made by this company for that matter:

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I wonder if maybe the company moved to England at some point, or if the blade was inaccurately stamped for some reason (note that the sheath says "Made in Germany," though it could be that it's not original to the knife). For instance, I know of German cutlery companies back in the day going with English-sounding names to avoid anti-German sentiments after WW2, as in the case of A. W. Wadsworth, who had some of their knives made in Austria and in what was back then Czechoslovakia. Forgive me if I tag you here, Jack Black Jack Black -- maybe you know something in this connection, since you seem to be knowledgeable when it comes to knives made in England back in the day.

The second knife I wanted to share is a much older and higher end example that I read about in a very interesting blog (in Spanish). It's a fancy 19th-century Bowie made by Moss & Gambles of Sheffield, which belonged not to a British or American individual, but to the Argentine officer and politician Juan Manuel de Rosas:

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As is pointed out in the blog, it's not entirely clear when or where Rosas acquired this knife. He could've gotten it during his time in England, or it could've been exported to Argentina. I know that a lot of German knives were exported to South America in the 19th century, but I don't know about English items. If anyone has any information on the subject, please feel free to share. Anyways, an interesting piece for sure.
 
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I wonder if maybe the company moved to England at some point, or if the blade was inacurrately stamped for some reason (note that the sheath says "Made in Germany," though it could be that it's not original to the knife). For instance, I know of German cutlery companies back in the day going with English-sounding names to avoid anti-German sentiments after WW2, as in in the case of A. W. Wadsworth, who had some of their knives made in Austria and in what was back then Czechoslovakia. Forgive me if I tag you here, Jack Black Jack Black -- maybe you know something in this connection, since you seem to be knowledgeable when it comes to knives made in England back in the day.
Lots of contract knives, of all types, have been made for overseas companies, in Sheffield, over the years. Labour has always been cheap there, and the city had the necessary skills and infrastructure. As you say, it's certainly the case, that German cutlery companies produced knives with British or Irish-sounding names, or with no name at all, because of anti-German sentiment. German-owned cutlery companies in Sheffield also adopted Anglicized names, the best known is probably Richards Brothers/Richards of Sheffield, which was owned by members of the German Richartz cutlery family :thumbsup:
 
My only bowie style knife.

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This is the one obvious example I have. Original Puma Bowie model 6396 (1981 vintage) from Germany. It was the first serious money I ever spent on a knife, back in 1982 or so. It's THE ONE that exemplifies, in my mind, my growing fascination for knives in general back then. When I think back to how the knife collecting / accumulating bug started for me, this is the one that always comes to mind.
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I don't collect Bowies, but I do have this one from Sheffield :thumbsup:
That's a beautiful knife. Very unusual guard as far as I can tell - very Spanish-looking. Any idea when it was made? I see no England on the ricasso but I imagine that's because it was intended to be sold locally.
 
That's a beautiful knife. Very unusual guard as far as I can tell - very Spanish-looking. Any idea when it was made? I see no England on the ricasso but I imagine that's because it was intended to be sold locally.
Thank you :) Yes, some Sheffield makers never added 'England' to their stamp, though Nowill did use a stamp to which it was included. I'm afraid I've done no research on this particular knife :thumbsup:
 
Thank you :) Yes, some Sheffield makers never added 'England' to their stamp, though Nowill did use a stamp to which it was included. I'm afraid I've done no research on this particular knife :thumbsup:
Well the blade has the shine and lines of a more modern piece, but the hilt does have a bit of a Victorian style to it. May I ask the length of the blade? Incidentally, I've been wanting to finish a Frankenstein Bowie project I have that I want to look somewhat similar to that, with an old Tramontina blade:

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Well the blade has the shine and lines of a more modern piece, but the hilt does have a bit of a Victorian style to it. May I ask the length of the blade? Incidentally, I've been wanting to finish a Frankenstein Bowie project I have that I want to look somewhat similar to that, with an old Tramontina blade:

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I'll go and measure it! :D Just over 10" from the front of the guard to the tip. I did an image search, and turned up a couple with near-identical blades online, being sold by Sheffield retailers, kind of crazy prices - that's one of the reasons I don't collect Bowies! :D That looks interesting, nice stag :cool: :thumbsup:
 
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