Older Bagwell, need some in put

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This knife is owned by a client of mine and it is not for sale, but he and I would appreciate some opinions as to its worth........more curiosity than anything else although it would be handy for insurance evaluation.

The following was written by the now owner and is all the information I have at this time.

"This is the knife whose mystery led to both considerable bewilderments, and
no small amount of pleasurable detective work. A big part of my enthusiasm
for this piece comes from learning of Holifield's patronage of various
makers in this period, and how it helped the market open up to styles &
techniques other than the traditional. The significance of this knife,
beyond whatever esthetic appeal it may hold, is the role it, and many other
knives from the 70s, played in the emergence of the knife as an art form.
Today, no one apologizes for a knife that while sturdy & functional, doesn't
necessarily look like it was designed for any particular task; it's
appreciated more for the craftsmanship & artistry that goes into it, and
often paid dearly for.
Through Jim Keating, I was able to reach Bill Bagwell at his home in rural
East Texas, and he shared the following information regarding this Bowie.
Bagwell conceived and commissioned the embellishment described below, to a
Bowie he made for the collector Jack Holifield in the mid
nineteen-seventies. Hand forged by Bill, it was then outfitted with a
scrimshawed elephant ivory handle, the sterling silver guard was fully
engraved, as was the spine, and Alamo/James Bowie themed etching was applied
to the blade.
Bill Bagwell, briefly the 1st secretary of the American Bladesmith Society,
was living in Louisiana at that time, and now resides in East Texas, where
he still makes knives. He studied the Bowie's potential as a weapon and
became an acknowledged authority & author on Bowie knife fighting, and the
dynamics of how its construction determines it effectiveness. He was able to
tell me who did the engraving & scrimshaw {his friend, E.C. Prudhomme,
Shreveport, La., 1911-1990}, the acid etch on the blade {ECPs' assistant
Wilton English}, the jeweler that inlaid the Burmese rubies, {Leonard
Jewelers, Shreveport, LA}. There are perhaps more details in the link below,
but basically, Holifield approached knife makers in the mid-70s, with the
"challenge" that they conceive & execute the most elaborate knife they could
imagine, and he would buy it. {I've found no record of how many were
approached, or submitted such a knife}. This knife was Bagwell's effort, and
until we spoke this summer, he had never known what became of it. {I'm
reminded as I re-read this that I didn't think to ask what steel the knife
was forged from; I need to remedy that}. I'll add that Bagwell told me it
was one of only a couple of his knives that carried that "Vivian, La."
stamp, and also one of only perhaps two where he employed that elegant
"twisted" {actually carved} ricasso, as it was difficult to accomplish, and
nobody at the time seemed fond of it! Also, everyone who has handled this
knife has enthusiastically agreed that besides it's elaborate appearance, it
possesses a heft, balance, and presence as a weapon that is sobering.

Here also is a brief Prudhomme bio.
A world renowned Master Engraver and author of "The Gun Engraving
Review", the definitive book on the craft at that time, E.C., "Jack"
Prudhommes gun engravings are part of the permanent collection at the R.W.
Norton Art Gallery in Shreveport, La., and his book is on display at the
Smithsonian.
Having been an accomplished athlete in school, he first became a world
ranked professional wrestler, then established himself as an engraver in the
1940s. The Norton exhibit of his work opened in 1973, and I find it
significant that it's still on display over 40 years later. I find no
evidence that he is known for scrimshaw work, but he performed and signed
the work on the ivory of this Bagwell knife, apparently just because they
were friends."

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Interesting Question.
It is a very special piece from a period that has a following but may not be in high demand right now.
The handle material makes it even more difficult to estimate.
The materials and the art work are very nice and certainly represent a value in itself (some more recent pieces of cutlery do not).
Please do not misunderstand my poor attempt - this is only a guesstimate. 5 to 10 grant.
Probably it would be a good idea to take it to a show, as you might meet people more exited about this period that on the net.
Hope this helps.
Thank You for posting this.
 
Hi Paul,
Gorgeous knife! Hard to estimate value of the knife. IMHO, it would simply be what the knife would bring on any given day to interested Bagwell collectors. One side note. The Vivian, LA stamp is not quite as rare as the above would indicate ["I'll add that Bagwell told me it
was one of only a couple of his knives that carried that "Vivian, La." stamp."] Rare still, but more populated than indicated there. Personally, I have three of Bill's knives that carry the Vivian, LA stamp like the one on the blade above. Much rarer is the stamp that has the "Vivian, LA" removed leaving only the "Bagwell" and the hammer--used for a few knives after Bill left Vivian. I have one of those in my collection and I believe I may have seen one other somewhere. Thanks for presenting this beauty for us to look at! Warm regards, Larry
 
Good morning everyone, just signed up to your Forum, after years of enjoying the good info & reference available here. In regard to the Bagwell/Prudhomme Bowie that Mr.Long was kind enough to post, I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I'm also hoping to get some additional info on Jack Holifield's out-reach to makers of the day in what I've seen referred to as his "Knife Challenge"? I didn't think to ask Bill Bagwell if he knew who else had been approached , and while I see a great number of elaborate knives in the auction catalog of Holifield's collection, I'd love to know more about what was specifically part of that particular effort. Again, part of my initial interest in the knife was Mr. Prudhomme's engraving & scrimshandering work, so any thoughts or familiarity with his work will be enjoyed.
Below is the remainder of my original write-up on the knife, as it contains more of the Holifield reference;

"While the particular pdf has been redacted from the web, there was an article on the significance of Holifields' collection, and his knifemakers "challenge" that generated this knife. It talks about how he was considered a patron to the craft, promoting the makers by exhibiting his collection, and is thought to have been a significant, early advocate of viewing the knife as an art form as well as a tool. Holifield died in 1977, and the Sotheby auction was held April 13, 1978. I got this knife, indirectly, from family of the party that bought it at this auction, with the original walnut case, considerable documentation from Sotheby, and the Sotheby catalog, which showed a number of other Bagwells in the collection as well as wonderful examples from many other notable makers of the day. {I see the catalogs available occasionally}. It amuses me now to realize that I was initially interested in this knife mainly for its Prudhomme provenance. I knew what Bagwell represented in the Bowie realm, but I hadn't sought out those knives in years. Oddly, and happily, it has led me down a Rabbit Hole of Bowie exploration, study, and acquisition from which I will not likely soon emerge!
It was great to speak with Bill about the specifics; he was very gracious & accessible. I was pleased that by the end of our conversation, he said he felt it had found a good home; I am certainly honored to be its present steward.
Jim June,2015 "


Best regards, Jim
 
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