OT: Bear safety--what's the REAL deal?

Originally posted by Kismet
attributed to a Chief Seattle in 1854. Lots of controversy and other sites contesting authenticity. This site seems to validate some of the historical accuracy.

Kis
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If Chief Seattle didn't say those words he could have. But he was both right and wrong.
Hopefully the increase in populations among many tribes today won't all be lost in the ways and captured by the lure of the big money of the casinos.
Even many of our kin in the southern continent are selling our ways to the non-ndn for trinkets and beads.:(
However among some of the oldest and wisest there has been meetings to promote the old ways even among those in the southern continent are in attendance so I believe there is still hope.
One of the last meetings was held right here in Oklahoma, I wish I could have made it.
Some people say I was missed. A man has to be careful of his reputation as it goes before in words long before the man shows up.
 
Rumours are a nasty thing and tongues can slip taking a man's good name with them !!
 
The Mono Lake Paiute are extinct because they made a treaty that said the white man could run cattle and the Paiute could have what was left. Unfortunately, the Paiute were already useing the resources to the max, which meant that minus the land used for cattle, they starved.

The Mono Lake Shoshone are extinct but not because of the white man. Remember what I said about the Paiutes using the resources to the max? Someone killed off the local Shoshone ( and it wasn't the Washoe ) and the white man hadn't shown up yet. The Bannock survived by moving up to Idaho. Leaving the the area to the Paiute. Hmm. Sounds suspicious to me.
 
this section spoke to me. I think it has truth.

A few more moons, a few more winters, and not one of the descendants of the mighty hosts that once moved over this broad land or lived in happy homes, protected by the Great Spirit, will remain to mourn over the graves of a people once more powerful and hopeful than yours. But why should I mourn at the untimely fate of my people? Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature, and regret is useless. Your time of decay may be distant, but it will surely come, for even the White Man whose God walked and talked with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We will see

Kis
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Originally posted by Yvsa

Long ago all of us ndns....

...so now that only a few remain that believe in the old ways.
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Your story has reason. It made perfect sense to me. Thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by Yvsa

When Christianity came along it worsened the condition with telling that man had dominion over every living thing (and to go and replenish the earth (What's up with replenish anyway?) instead of saying that man was kin to every living thing.
That domination of the Grandmother is what has brought us to the conditions of today.
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I view Christianity the same way. My own people's religion Åsatru had more respect for nature like your Indian ways. It seems to me the original religions of people living in close contact with nature had more depth than Christianity.

Originally posted by Yvsa

All things work in balance and to be successful doesn't mean the end of technology as we know it.
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Very much agreed upon again.

Originally posted by Kismet

this section spoke to me. I think it has truth.
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Well put Kismet.

And unfortunately it seems to be our current path.

Good link! I saved it as a favourite on my web browser.

Originally posted by Bill Martino

You gotta love these bear threads.
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You read everything on this forum. Does it ever happen that you find some stuff written that is so good that it has an impact on how you see things?

Well, I guess that was a question that goes for every forumite.
 
Originally posted by Ferrous Wheel
The rest of the thread hurts my head. I think mankind is getting stupider as a general rule. For instance, the ignorant seem to breed like mad, while the enlightened sometimes do not breed at all.

Seems like 90% of the people I meet are here doing nothing more that logging time, passing the days til they get a dirtnap. And someone taught them that this was living? I'm surrounded by the freakin walking dead!
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I have a quote wich I copied from internet once and pasted it into a Word document. I don't know the book or author this was taken from:

"once upon a time..there were noble warriors as far as the eye could see...and there came many great battles..and many great warriors fell...and as time past on there were fewer and fewer warriors to battle on ...and then there came "ignorance,sold as peace".. there was no more virtue in the land....for all the warriors had fallen and with them fell virtue...and when the day came ..that the dragon came to slay them all..quickly they fell for they had no champions...no defenders of the folk..for all had died out long ago...the end"

Well, if the warriors are not allowed to return then this will bring truth to Kismet's quote from that Indian wise man:

"...Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature, and regret is useless. Your time of decay may be distant, but it will surely come, for even the White Man whose God walked and talked with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We will see"


Hope I didn't go too far in this post...
 
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