A nearby lady with a ceramic shop had just bought two new smaller kiln and was going to have the others hauled away. One is a C24S and the other is a C27S, both are huge. Only problem she has was the control rods had burned out and the bottoms had rusted through. So loops lime plenty of fire brick for a forge and the elements in both are good to go. Just don't have 220 other then dryer. I may use the C24S for knives but need thermocouple as she used heat cones. And may gut other bigger one for parts. Both kiln sitters work fine, one is an LT-3, the other is LT-4. To bad both are top loading but both have lids and I have read you can place knives on racks to be higher.