Preview Gen 1 Mk4-B Rawk Hawks

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i made a change on the end caps as an experiment on the Gen 1 Mk 4's, trying to make them tough but lighter, while getting closer to the Sectionals.

pictures don't do them justice.

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i don't know which would be more fun with this Optimized Hawk Head; using the Meat Tenderizer Poll or the Sharks Tooth Ripping Beard.

Decisions, decisions....
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these Rawk Hawks remind me of the riverside beaches in the Northern PI, and Snoqualmie Wilderness in Washington. Makes me wanna return to both.
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Caution: The Rare Mexican Hawk Cur Trained Hawk Dawg guarding all hawks, for National Security.
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We have some other nice stuff coming up, if ya need anything.

just contact my Erica at:

ericag@equinoxcoronado.com



thanks for looking.



vec
 
here are more images of some of a brother's rawkish goodies. that guy rawks.
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i put a three-point continuous loop sling on the ambidextrous machete sheath, so it can be carried loose, tight, or stationary (using the secondary loop).

no stinking hardware, that's my favorite part.
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this is a nice pair, the machete and proper long hawk.

it makes me pray for zombies.

that's a good sign.

vec
 
Vec,

i thought i would find you here.

those are the damned finest hawks i have had the opportunity to play with. quick and lite in the hand. an heirloom piece to be sure.

they are well worth the money; you better get ahold of them while he has some available. they go fast

ryan
 
Vector how are you making those crazy looking handles they look like they are buried under a resin? Whats the core other than a polycarbinate tube? If you are making these yourself how do you keep them straight and true? Lastly do you sell them? If so how much for one to fit the CS trail hawk I just ordered! I am fairly new to the forum but I always hangout in the knifemakers area and stumbled in to here and looked around and now I am hooked! I would like a 24" handle if that helps.
 
That is one heck of a cute guard dog.
As for the hawks, again Great looking work. I sure do like the one you did for me.
Have used it several times as a third hand and mono pod for photos.
Couldn't be happier...........
 
ericag@equinoxcoronado.com

Erica will be able to help you out on your questions i bet Mike;)

as nice as that stuff looks Vec i think the pup steals the show. what can i say i'm a softie for dogs.

thanks for helping out, brother.

that's the spirit - if you decide to get something from us, refer to this courteous post and tell Erica that you deserve a discount.

the Hawk Project is a Team Effort.

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that pup ("MOLLE") was born in a den under a tree, in a field, south of Rosarito, Mexico.

her mom was "rescued" along with the rest of the litter - i think the mom just let herself be caught for a while so she could have air conditioning for the summer - hahaha!

i need my dogs to be tough and wild, quick and smart, or they don't make it.

the pup is exceeding expectations so far. a good girl.


thanks again, brother.

vec
 
Vector how are you making those crazy looking handles they look like they are buried under a resin? Whats the core other than a polycarbinate tube?

ooh, loaded question - rant alert from vector - hehehe!

There really isn't to much resin in them, only what is necessary for strength.

most of the resins in stock composite handles are polyesters, which are weak but cheap - they are also bad for the environment compared to the epoxy-based stuff that i use, which most composites guys i have talked to are just amazed that i chose for these handles, because it is hard to work with.

it really requires a maniac to make these handles IMHO. as you can see by my passion for hawks, i am qualified. :D

making these handles takes patience, timing, and hours of concentration.

again and again.


my family won't go near me when i am building them.

they are each my babies, these hawks.

we have a lot of folks receive our hawks in packages and think we shipped an empty box at first - the longer hawks seem really light because of the weight distribution that increases with length.

what is inside the handles varies, brother - so a straight answer usually would be a lie. - i try to constantly experiment. most of the interior is space on the Gen 1 Mk 4's - for reasons i will try to explain later.

the hawks you see here have endoskeletal materials that are common in some aircraft, which is one of the places i get my composites experience from; building planes for a very special aerospace design house.

- the handles rely on fiber-aligning technologies instead of a bunch of cheap, heavy, and relatively-weak omni-directional fiberglass splinters and resin moosh (like what other folks are making) for the handle's strength, so the two structural cavities give me room to develop new additions to the design.

for instance, i love the polycarbonate tube to store my goodies in.

why have a bug-out-bag, when ya can have a bug-out hawk, i reckon...

ultimately, i am going to hybrid a hawk with some ...uh ...other good things....


a very special super-long hawk i am doing for Survival Sheath Systems will have some insulated aluminum internal components.

We are heading towards making a Sectional Hawk.

We want it ALL.


the Polycarbonate Tube is advantageous because it's physical properties are much like the composite that surrounds it, so if the handles get thermally shocked, stresses don't occur in it when compared other build schedules.

If the handle gets partially interrupted (it will probably go unnoticed if it follows the pattern we have seen, but if it does not; ), such as from a direct sword impact or a gunshot, the polycarbonate tends to plastify and act like a chain at that point. you just turned your hawk into a nun-chuck/flail/mace.

i think you might start laughing when that happens. just don't run out of zombies.

especially since we fix or replace your hawk, or cut you a check, at your discretion, forever, so Help Me God. - that's part of our Happiness Guarantee.


If you are making these yourself how do you keep them straight and true?

well, i am a geek, so i will argue that nothing is truly Straight and True, short of Jesus, brother - hehehe!

that said, we have a lot of ways of proprietarily getting these handles straight, or better yet: slightly pre-stressed in the swing plane for greater strength with less weight. - many old friends from my composite protoypes background have tried to copy the handle and failed miserably. - and these are guys that are the best in the industry IMHO. the only reason i can make them is because i have made so many, and failed so much, without being smart enough to throw in the towel, frankly.

i am just a stinking specialist in this structure.

and this ain't no plastic pole.

the Gen 1 Mk 4 Handle is a fiber-aligned, lightweight composite handle with an endoskeletal and exoskeletal structure. Most of it is two air channels: one in the polycarbonate tube, and one in the Strike Plate (which is the leading rectangular surface of the handle, which can have architecture added to it to make the handle twenty times stronger, at the expense of added weight - think Riot Baton from Hell).

the two composite-sealed cavities in the handle, coupled with the way i lay each fiber, can have some interesting effects on soft tissue, as well as bone, if it ever comes to that.

the hawk head is just the warning.

the handle is the real weapon.


Lastly do you sell them? If so how much for one to fit the CS trail hawk I just ordered! I am fairly new to the forum but I always hangout in the knifemakers area and stumbled in to here and looked around and now I am hooked! I would like a 24" handle if that helps.

sure thing, brother.

all our work is covered with a Happiness Guarantee, and we consider our clientele to be Investors, which they truly are, and our friends.

the whole Hawk Project was meant to be a win-win for everyone involved, and i have tried to keep it that way.

as was suggested, please contact my Erica, and have a chat, she can also tell you what is available in our IGHs (Instant Gratification Hawks) which could save you a wait on a Gen 1 Mk 4 hawk, if it is considered a value to you.

ericag@equinoxcoronado.com

tell her i sent ya and that i was on my best behavior, brother.

you'll like her, she's a lot classier than i am. :cool::thumbup:

HTH.

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don't ask me about hawks and tell me not to rant! har!

i am a hawk addict.


okay, back to the Hawk Dungeon for ol' vec.

vec
 
Awesome stuff Vec. I'm really likin the meat tenderizer poll and shark tooth beard. Just wicked

...and well, the pup is just too cute for words!
 
Well Vec I enjoy reading a good rant as much as the next person and have already contacted Erica, and she ansewered my questions for the most part. You took care of the parts she didn't. I appreciate the passion, devotion, and procaimed expertise you have towards your product. I understand my questions might have come across as a bit fishy, or like someone who might be trying steal ideas. Rest assured I in no way have the desire to duplicate ,nor duplicate and distribute your product. Just to be frank it looks cool and it looks as if it is too good to be true structuraly speaking. The handles sparked my curiosity and this forum made me buy a hawk today. I love the idea of a bugout hawk and that feature is what made me start wondering what the hell this thing made of. I am a contractor by profession and build and do a lil bit of everything, and my first instinct is to pop the hood and look around or to tear it apart and put it back togather. Sorry if this brought about any uneasy feelings about me or my intent. Anyway this is where I will stop my "rant" and say thank you for your help with your product and for being on your best behavior. For now I will play with modifing the hawk I bought and be happy. I might become an investor at a later date when I can pick one up and play with it and ansewer my own questions. Its hard to tell anything from a picture as far as construction, feel and performance are concerned. Have a good one!
 
Well Vec I enjoy reading a good rant as much as the next person and have already contacted Erica, and she ansewered my questions for the most part. You took care of the parts she didn't. I appreciate the passion, devotion, and procaimed expertise you have towards your product. I understand my questions might have come across as a bit fishy, or like someone who might be trying steal ideas. Rest assured I in no way have the desire to duplicate ,nor duplicate and distribute your product. Just to be frank it looks cool and it looks as if it is too good to be true structuraly speaking. The handles sparked my curiosity and this forum made me buy a hawk today. I love the idea of a bugout hawk and that feature is what made me start wondering what the hell this thing made of. I am a contractor by profession and build and do a lil bit of everything, and my first instinct is to pop the hood and look around or to tear it apart and put it back togather. Sorry if this brought about any uneasy feelings about me or my intent. Anyway this is where I will stop my "rant" and say thank you for your help with your product and for being on your best behavior. For now I will play with modifing the hawk I bought and be happy. I might become an investor at a later date when I can pick one up and play with it and ansewer my own questions. Its hard to tell anything from a picture as far as construction, feel and performance are concerned. Have a good one!

i completely understand where you are coming from, brother mike', on tearing things apart and figuring them out.

that's how we learn too.

tearing through composite aircraft structures and their plans has helped me tremendously, in design ideas.

no worries, you didn't sound like someone suspicious, and even if ya did, i wouldn't mind, brother. thanks for addressing that though, that shows a lot of class on your part.

like i said, if anyone manages to make a handle like this, based on what i've observed, i am not going to compete with him or her, i'm gonna JOIN 'EM - har!

we understand, mostly from experience, that smart folks have a hard time getting convinced on these things, that's why we make it easy with the Happiness Guarantee that i already outlined.

no way in heck i'd buy something so odd as these hawks if i didn't have a Risk-Free Warranty, and i wouldn't expect anyone else to either.

one of my biggest kicks is to just hand a person one of these Gen 1 Mk 4's and wait for the smile. they awaken something inside most of us, especially women and children;

the smile appears, and the gleam in the eye. it's cool.

moreover,

we make these hawks how I would want a hawk, and they are tough and light.

a lot of my friends told me i was nuts to make a hawk handle as weak as i could (when composites can be so strong per pound), but they always leave their heavy choppers in the truck or on the boat, and don't usually hike long distances. that's too bad.

these hawks are meant to stay with you, and be a part of you.

these handles are not tough enough for everyone, but since they are stronger than the best wood probably is (at least in our experience) plus lighter, and with features, so far most folks like 'em.

if you get one and cream yours, or just don't like it, we'd like to hear from you, and make it right. we try to turn everything into a win-win for everyone involved. the feedback from our Investors has put us way ahead in developing in new ways.

thanks again.

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on an aside:

Dressed up.
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these Gen 1 Mk 4-B's go on sale tomorrow.

just contact my Erica if interested in getting in on an early bird deal;

ericag@equinoxcoronado.com

thanks.

vec
 
They look kinda like a sore pecker, hard to beat! I am going to pass for now though. Thanks for the info.
 
if you get one and cream yours, or just don't like it, we'd like to hear from you, and make it right.

LOL, I'd like to see pictures of what "creamed" it as well. I beat the unholy hell out of the Black Mamba, and it didn't flinch. Not much paint left on the head, but the shaft is just fine. . .
 
Umm, wow, I should have thought of that.

Must have been my evil twin that posted that. . .LOL.

Talk about multiples. . .:eek:

Meanings, that is
 
Hi Vec, those hawks just keep looking better and better! Since you mentioned "not tough enough for everyone" and even referenced climbing, there's something I was wondering- could you hang from one of your hawks?-um, that doesn't sound good- I mean, could I hang from one of your hawks? Oh now wait- that sounds even worse- could someone that weighs about 200 hang from one of your hawks?

PS- I really like that lengthwise connector on the cord wrap- does that mean mine will come that way? I mean when it gets here, hint, hint : )
 
Hi Vec, those hawks just keep looking better and better! Since you mentioned "not tough enough for everyone" and even referenced climbing, there's something I was wondering- could you hang from one of your hawks?-um, that doesn't sound good- I mean, could I hang from one of your hawks? Oh now wait- that sounds even worse- could someone that weighs about 200 hang from one of your hawks?

you bet.

that's one of my tests.

i weigh 220, and scare myself regularly with these.

hanging can be done on just about anything, even a plain ol' nasty ball pein hammer with a wood handle - as you probably realize - it's when you load the tool with impulse; quick, hard amounts of energy, that things can and usually do, get dicey.

hanging from the head is a BS test, if you pardon my french - the real test is putting the handle across the corner of a 4 x 4 and hanging from each end of it - that's where the men are separated from the boys here in Handle Land.

that is a huge pinpoint stress test, no matter how carefully you mount the bar.


yes, we do that to each handle.

no, we do not recommend it, but you are welcome to, we are just here to serve.

we've got your back.

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i've used the earlier designs on these hawks, which were not as strong, to climb steep hillsides with, laden with gear.

that said, i would like a head design that wrapped around the head, vice being just trapped inside the eye, such as with these hawks to do some serious consistent straining with - this design is plenty strong, but a couple head designs that i have yet to build would be a lot better.

the eye is good for abrasion, and that's about its only superior trait to a conventional wrapped-head design - and there are plenty of work-arounds to that.

i don't want to have something i can just hang from, i want one that i can put a lot of load shock on, repeatedly.

eye-type hawks are not optimum for that IMHO.

but that isn't a hawk, either.

that's why this whole Development Project has been so interesting - i made the first hawks and told folks what i intended with them, and everyone smiled and took their hawks away ...and then they started doing things with them that made me gasp! - they were cording wood, climbing trees, making boards, all sorts of stuff, with my humble little overbuilt woodsbumming tools.

- so i have made them crazier-stronger every chance i get, now on the fourth variant of the handle design, the Gen 1 Mk 4. - believe me; when i say these handles are as weak as i can make them, i am saying something like, Sugar Ray Leonard is weaker than Muhammed Ali - i wouldn't want to fight either one of them. these handles will not break in anythng close to sane usage.

the rest is covered.

that's not meant to sound defensive. that's meant to sound definitive.

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wrapped-style heads are rare (think Fiskars hatchets) and they are made of much weaker materials than what i use on these Gen 1 Mk 4's - the hybrid should turn out really well.

we're discussing strength factors well beyond any level of sanity though;

excellent.

:D:thumbup:


PS- I really like that lengthwise connector on the cord wrap- does that mean mine will come that way? I mean when it gets here, hint, hint : )

if ya want, you bet.

i need to whip my new website into shape so you guys have a reference for all the knots and stuff i love to use.

little kids love to learn them, it's better than the brain-sucking-device (TV) for peace and quiet.

good for the munchkins to be able to make a sling or a paracord belt too.

HTH.


vec
 
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