Rescue...Emergency...Diver?

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I've been interested in the Rescue for some time, but it always seemed to me that something was missing or not quite right with design. The knife is in essence an FRN Mariner without the drying vent, and it has been copied by most other companies making "rescue" knives.<img align = right src="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/p67c6e4c119d78f8ea7ad8ed2de8eeea6/fe5a38af.jpg.orig.jpg">

One thing that bugs me is that according to every real rescue worker I've heard comment on the subject (firefighters, etc), they would never use a knife at the proximity to a victim that would require a knife with blunted tip -- they all use EMT shears for cutting seatbelts or clothing. So IMO the sheepfoot is an unnecesary hindrance if this is in fact supposed to be more than an FRN Mariner.

Another point brought up by someone, was that a rescue/firefighter's folder would also probably serve well as a dive knife -- given sufficient corrosion resistance. So I was thinking about how one would "upgrade" or evolve the Rescue to become more truly a rescue/emergency folder, and perhas with added functionality for diving (which is itself another search and rescue application). I am not suggesting a new SKU, as the Rescue is already a strong brand, but possible refinements of the established pattern.

I like the use of orange FRN and a polished steel ambidexrous clip, and the basic pattern of the knife handle and blade. I wont suggest G10 since the knife has to remain accessible, and be inexpensive enough to damage or lose.

Here are my inexpert ideas for evolution:

Item #1. Nested compression lock. (At the very least, a Boye indent in the lever if a lockback.)

Item #2: A reinforced tip that allows both prenetration and prying -- perhaps a modified sheepsfoot blade with a slightly raised plainedge tip (akin to the old C15/19 Bob "T"s).

Item #3. Saber grind (flat ground where the hollow grind is now). I normally dislike these, but for a cutting tool/prybar, the extra strength is needed.

Item #4. Drying vent. I am unsure about this one since the Rescue used to have one. I assume it has been removed for a reason but I don't know what it is.

Item #4. Mark the spine of the blade as a 3" ruler.

Item #5: More appropriate steel? I'd leave this to the steel experts, but perhaps something with better corrosion resistance than ATS-55 (AUS-8?).

I only have crude graphics software, but these modified images illustrate the basic ideas. At the top is pictured the present Rescue. Next is a Rescue with compression lock and modified blade. Then a Rescue with compression lock and a sabre-ground modified blade. The last has a drying vent added.

What are your thoughts on upgrading the Rescue into a universal Rescue-Emergency-Diver?</align>
 
Carlos,I'm with you on not using ANY knife around a victim.I've got 11 years on the job as a firefighter/emt,let me tell you in a cramped car with other rescuers and all that is going on I don't want a blade in anyones hands,shears all the way.

Also "victims" often "come to" they are frightened or high and when they come to they are often combative.Now imagine they come to and see a guy with a knife in his hand!

I carry a 50/50 Bm 710 in my uniform pocket and a Rescue in my bunker gear.The Rescue is for cutting ME out of entangelments or any hard thick material not around people.

A drying vent would be good for FF because,well we get wet.I don't mind the sheepsfoot because I also carry a "pointy knife".Now if you made the "vent" in a little differant shape it could also be used as a back up oxygen bottle wrench which would appeal to fire and ems people.
 
There you go again Carlos.

I can say that we are working on a design. I can't say much more than that about it at this time.

I will however, share some thoughts and experiences with you;

I have seen EMTs throw their scissors away and pull out their Spyderco because it cut more effectively.

Not all "Rescues" are performed by EMTs or Firemen. The Spyderco Rescue is a tough "user friendly, Sheeple friendly and Policeman friendly" model.

It is used my Military personnel all over the world, that do not carry scissors. It is used by Cowboys and Rodeo clowns. It is often carried by Law Enforcement Professionals. It is often carried by rafters, mountin climbers, balloonists. It has saved countless lives in many situations. I have personally cut someone out of a dangerous situation twice...I don't carry scissors either.

It is a reliable design with a very strong tip.

It is IMO unrealistic to assume that EMTs are the only market for this model.

sal
 
Hi Sal,

It is the nature of the trouble-maker to make trouble. :D Perhaps if we get some more input here, some of it might be useful to the project.



Lone Hunter,

What shape for the vent hole would allow it to be used as an O2 bottle wrench?
 
I'm an X-ray Tech at a hospital and the Rescue is what I carry (I also carry the Leatherman Micra). I could use EMT shears but I find the Rescue has certain advantages:
It's smaller than EMT shears but weighs about the same.
It clips in the waistband of my scrubs.
It can perform alot of tasks (like sharpening a pencil, cutting down large cardboard boxes, stripping wire, ect) much better than shears.
It can be used for self-defense (even with the sheepsfoot tip I would hate to be sliced with a Rescue model).
With equal treatment the Rescue will last much longer than the shears.
And these are just a few of the advantages I can think of easily.

Having said all of that, I'm all for new and improved knives.
The ideas presented here are very interesting--so why not!
 
Thanks for bringing this knife to our attention, Carlos. I'm not really interested in this particular niche, but reading the posts made me take notice of the handle on the Rescue. I'm going to have to handle a Rescue again. I like the handle, from the pics. It's got the front choil, which has proven to be a useful feature on the Calypso Jr. for some cutting types. And it's got a handle shape I love, the palm swell which curves into pinky and index finger indents.

Was there ever a more general-utility-oriented blade shape mated to this handle?
 
Sal I agree with what you say there are many for who the Rescue is carried and used other than FF/EMT's,and off the job it is more likly to be carried than a shears.After all I own one and would like to get a plain edge one also :).I was just relating to my on the job needs and what I've seen.There are times when I will (and have) snapped open my Spyderco, of coarse if a life is in the balance I'll risk cutting someone but day to day calls its a shears.Unless the owner of Spyderco was riding with me than hell yes I'd pull out my Spyderco instead ( and leave the BM at home that day also ;) ).

An o2 bottle has a rectangalar stud on the top.There is a knob or a small plastic wrench ball chained to the regulator that is used to turn the stud and start the flow of o2.Some times the knob/wrench has come off or is striped from over use/tightening.You see many EMT's with a spare plastic wrench hanging from their belts for this reason.The size of the stud? I'm not sure maybe3/8 long and 1/2 as wide?
 
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Thanks to your description I was able to find a picture of an 02 wrench. Here is the modified Rescue with three vents, each of which are shaped for such use. In practice they would probably need some more space between them, and they'd have to be on both sides since the clip is ambidextrous.

Joel, I agree that the handle is very appealing. I once asked Sal why the Matriarch got the Endura handle rather than the Rescue's, and he said that part of the reason is that choils have limited appeal - not everyone "gets" them and their advantages.
 
Just wanted to pass along a "Rescue" story. I work for a small police department. We have a pretty good chunk of interstate highway that's good for at least one horrendous chain reaction crash each year. A couple years ago I was at one of these crashes and our fire dept. was trying to cut a child seat out of a crushed mini-van. One of the FF/EMTs tried to cut it out with shears and could not get at the belt. He yelled for a knife and I threw him my Rescue. (Police carried on right, Rescue carried on left. :D ) He was able to cut the belt with the knife but not with the shears. Unfortunately the infant did not survive her injuries. The moral of the story is that there is surely a place for shears but there is also a place for a knife. I like having back-ups for my back-ups- "One is none, two is one."

Ben
 
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