Review - KHHI Kustom Khukuris

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But then you go off into more strawman arguments, bringing up even more irrelevant and fatally flawed claims. I have to ask, what does any of the following have to do with quality, variety, or price? You're simply a huge logical fallacy with a keyboard. But these are the tactics of someone who can't win on the merits of their position. Create a diversion, change the focus of the argument, and hope nobody notices. RIGHT?

"Part of the reason KHHI has so many models is that they steal designs from other manufacturers...and not just khukuri designs either. If you look at their site you will see designs that originated at HI, Tora and had models from notable fixed blade manufacturers such as Schrade and Camillus among others.
They and their affiliates have been caught several times using ad copy stolen directly from the HI website.

Notable designs stolen from HI
(observed as of this posting):

Uncle Bill Especiale -KHHI Chukuri Plus
Ultimate Fighter- KHHI Chukuri
R-10- KHHI Churi
Gelbu Special- KHHI D-881
Ang Khola Bowie- KHHI QL-5730
Bahadur Knife-Modern Craft
Spear Vala - KHHI QL5861
Farm Knife - Mukti

Designs from others:

Tora Havildar- (saw before, can't find)
Extrema Ratio- KHHI D-896/Extrema militia (even stole part of the name!)
Tom Brown Tracker- D996_B/Multicraft"

Your eyes are brown. Prove what you say. You say "affiliates", KHHI doesn't HAVE any affiliates. Sounds like you're blaming KHHI for what the other guys are doing. And those models you list are NOT copies of the others, most only vaguely resemble their supposed counterpart. Others are traditional designs that have been around forever, nobody can claim them. If we were to judge copies based on your standards, EVERYTHING in the blade world would be a copy of something else that someone did.

Look, man. Once someone changes a design feature or two, it is DIFFERENT, and something that isn't the same is NOT a copy. OK? Especially the Chukuri models, I talked to the guy who designed those, they are KHHI originals. They barely resemble the profiles alone of those other blades, and that is the end of that story. And don't get me started on the Bowies, they are NOT the same, and Bowies come in a hundred minor variations! Oh, I went over the Havildar NON-ISSUE in my response to JDK. I don't know why you couldn't find anything similar to that generic design, by definition it's very common.

Besides, ALL of those letter/number designations? Those are custom blades, designed by the CUSTOMER! They are NOT stock KHHI items, and it's NOT their responsibility to scour the internet to make sure a customer didn't copy someone else's knife. If MY designs are similar to a Cold Steel, Benchmade, Randall, Scorpion, Gil Hibben, or even if I have them make me an Applegate-Fairbairn that looks almost like my Boker? That is not KHHI, it is ME! You don't have a legitimate gripe there. So, you fall on your face once again. Get over it.

"HI does custom orders too. From customer designs to redesigns of existing patterns, also no problem."

Really? Nobody would know that from reading your entire website! Your search engine doesn't even turn up a "Custom" anything! Now pay me $200 for telling you that. Hmmm. You DO realize that if you prominently state that you do customs on your site now, you owe me for pointing that out, right? LOL!

Or I'll take a 15" Ganga Ram Special, which you mistakenly call a 22", I really like that one.

Hey, as long as I gotcha here, what is it with you guys reference measuring the entire khuk instead of the blade, like the rest of the freaking world does with every other blade? Talk about being misleading and deceptive, you guys lead the pack with that confusing silliness. I tell ya, I'd be really angry if I ordered a so-called "12 inch Ang Khola" and received a SEVEN inch khuk! Do you know what a pain it is to go through your site, scale each entire khuk, measure the blade, and do the conversion, just to find out what size each of them REALLY is? Because handles come in all lengths, but a specific blade is simply X inches long. And THAT is how people compare blades to each other. Imagine listing katanas by OAL? 8 inch tsuka with a 32 inch nagasa, 14 inch tsuka with a 26 inch nagasa, it's all the same, right?

Here, it's my turn to throw a straw man at YOU. As with your posts, long ago I saw a pattern of inconsistency, illogic, and irrationality at HI. All the weird little things about the website, those infernal measurements, etc. Oh do you remember the time over at the Cantina when you said that a "toothy" filed blade edge will cut much better than a finely honed and stropped edge? Forget that I can prove that you're wrong with basic physics, common sense will tell anyone that over the course of any period of time, the more refined edge will always outperform the rough one. Aw, c'mon, it's not all that bad, check this out:

Here's a little confession as to how much I like HIs. I have a sheet with the actual size of every khuk and knife on the site, not your strangely inflated measurements. (I've got the prices and weights right there, too.) Yeah, I did that so I could EASILY compare them to each other and other brands, back when I was researching everyone, before I decided to go with KHHI. Hmmm.

"Originally Posted by twolfnm:
- Most important: An average stock HI sells for $180, shipped. The average stock KHHI is only $100."

"In some cases. In others not. Then one must figure in the cost of international shipping. By your prices above and their website pricing, they are no more of a bargain."

Hold it, there is NO "In some cases. In others not." Don't you understand the meaning of the word "average"? C'mere, I'll teach you something for free. Add up all the prices of all your khuks, and divide that by the number of khuks. THAT is the average price of an HI khuk, OK? And no, I wasn't playing disingenuous and specious games like you do, those ARE the average prices from both companies, shipping included.

So, on the average (NOT the mean), an HI costs EIGHTY PERCENT MORE than a KHHI khuk. Eighty-one point something, to be more precise. That is not subject to debate, it's a fact as of last November, when I averaged them.

Given that the quality is equal if not better, KHHI khuks are a FANTASTIC bargain compared to HIs. OK, Forrest?
Again, you can probably get a full-blown custom KHHI for less than a stock HI of comparable size. You can't debate that, either. Well, YOU might, but a logical and rational sentient being wouldn't.

"Blah, blah, DEALER!1!1!!!"

You must think that everyone else is as morally bankrupt as you are, because you sure do like to project it.
As I've made absolutely clear on several occasions, before I present the actual marketing plan/discount offer to the membership here, or even PM anyone here about it, I'll have made the proper arrangements to compensate BladeForums for the exposure. I might make a mistake here and there, but I do have honesty, integrity, and honor about my business dealings, contrary to some other people I won't name.

Considering that my personal gain from this will barely make it worth my time, I hope you don't start accusing me of trying to get rich over this promotion. Almost all of the profit in this project is going into the savings for the customer, plus a nice chunk that gets kicked back to the Kamis. OK, Slick?

In closing, you raise a lot of nonexistent issues. Regarding those with some basis in reality, I don't go over to the HI subforum and talk crap in the reviews about the substandard khuk I received from HI that wouldn't be replaced for 2 months, or the smashed chape that couldn't be replaced with a nice one of the proper size. That would be highly improper and I'd feel like a real jerkoff for doing stuff like that in your house. Besides, I wound up accepting it, and despite that little mess, I even say a LOT of GOOD things about HI. I still might buy another HI in the future, for fun. (I'll obviously do that through a third party.) Maybe you don't have the same reservations, moral restraints, or that amount of forgiveness, in which case, I can't help you.

BUT, you and your clan do NOT come over here trolling my review thread with your INSULTS, half-baked assertions, and outright LIES, sonny boy. Take it somewhere else. You can even PM me if you want, but stay away from my threads. ¿Entiendes?

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Now, enough of this garbage, everyone mellow out and go back to your corners. I don't want to let my evil side come sneaking out, because I like it too much. I can take whatever someone wants to dish out, but I'll return the favor in spades with a cherry on top. If someone can post stuff like Kargada did and get away with it here, I'm free to retaliate, and I sure will, LOL. Too many decades of hardcore biker and military combined with owning construction and engineering businesses, I guess.

Sorry if I offended anyone that didn't deserve it. :D I didn't expect anyone to come out slinging mud over stuff that is now immaterial and actually inappropriate. Then again, I should have made it crystal clear that there's been a LOT of changes going on over at KHHI and that things that fell through the cracks before simply aren't tolerated there anymore. They've changed.

More on my first point: On most other forums that I frequent, people aren't allowed to jump in and start trolling and trashing a thread with every off-topic POS they can imagine. Posts get deleted and people get temporarily banned over that stuff, like during the katana wars over at SBG. This thread is about a couple of khuks, quality, variety, options, and price. I can understand the honest rage over some garbage that never should have left the shop. Really, I've been there with other khuks. But the rest of that was over the top, beyond the pale. So I won't retract my 00 buckshot response. Honestly, I think I was pretty reserved and it was well-deserved.

So. Back to answering questions and having fun with these sharp and pointy things.
Did I mention I'm looking at buying a wasp handled Fairbairn-Sykes? Genuine British military presentation stuff, by J. Nowill & Sons in Sheffield. A truly cool-looking blade for $150, not a bad deal a'tall! :)
 
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twolfnm said:
Karda. Wow. You really shouldn't have made that post.

First, a few points:

- You have serious reading comprehension problems.
- You're grasping at a lot of straws to make your "case".
- Your post is full of hyperbole and pure BS. You make stuff up to fit your imaginary conceptions.

Anyways, fasten your seat belt, son. You're in for a rough ride. As strenuous as it may be for you, you need to focus and read this carefully and completely. I'm always factual, and I try to be as polite as possible, but you opened the door here. Deal with it.

"It should be readily apparent that the items shown here are cherry picked items, given to the OP for services rendered."

You start off by showing your miserable reading comprehension, I covered all of this in the original post. They were NOT "cherry picked", they are my own custom designs, I said so a dozen times, so of course they should be nice. But you lead with inferring that I was trying to be deceptive. Why? That's pretty stupid considering I was straightforward about everything. And whether I paid for them or received them in trade is irrelevant, unless you consider that a paying customer might have actually gotten a higher level of care. But I'll address that type of fallacy next.

"As a purchasing customer your experience may or may not be as good."

No, wrong. One of the major points I've been pushing at KHHI is that EVERYONE always receives a top-quality khuk. But like so many other things, you didn't know that.

"Usage of the forum search function will bear out just about everything I'm about to say."

No, it doesn't. There's far more good than bad. There were some screwups, but I also found people confusing KHHI with someone else, among other mistakes.

"Their failure rate is vastly larger than any other khukuri company."

That's a baldfaced lie, and I noticed that a lot of scathing reviews were done by HI fanatics. No biases or agendas there, huh?
Is that too harsh? OK, you sure do like to exaggerate to the point of hyperbole, but you know that KHHI is the largest producer of khuks in the world. So, yes, they MIGHT have a greater number of khuks that got past QC back when those posts were written, but their PERCENTAGE was actually very small. Since that doesn't fit your narrative, I thought I'd point that out.

"They don't sell Blem khukuri, they don't even QC for it. They pass them along to unsuspecting customers both in country and abroad."

Well, you really crossed the line there, Buckwheat. I can't cuss on here, so does FILTHY LIAR work for you? I told you they have the best QC in the business now, but I guess your selective comprehension missed that part. You have NO IDEA what they do with their seconds, so you just made that up. Then you try to make your speculations sound villainous, that's cute. IF I told you that they sold all their seconds to local storefronts, precisely what would be wrong with that? It's more efficient, and they DON'T get shipped out to the regular customers. Quit making up lies, dude.

"It is known that cracks, inclusions, cold shuts and spotty heat treat are normal."

You know that, you being a representative of HI, SLT can sue your butt off for all of the lies and BS you're spreading? Better watch it, Spanky. And I don't think you know what a cold shut is, these aren't welded anywhere.

"Heres a couple quick and fairly recent examples:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...d-Got-My-refund-2-22!?highlight=khukuri+house
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-Kukuri-failure/page3?highlight=khukuri+house"

"Recent", my butt. That first thread is over two years old, it's completely irrelevant. I know, you had to find SOMETHING to grasp onto, but you could've done better than that. At least the next one was in the timeframe that we are discussing, the last 8-10 months. I know, I know, it's OK. If we were talking about Mopars, you'd be dragging up everything from before Iacocca was there. Not that my situation is completely analogous, I'm just making a rough comparison.

Ah, but what is it about this second example you give that smacks of your desperation? Oh, I know, it's your red herring disguised as a black swan posing as a commonplace occurrence! Let's see what people had to say about it:

Laurence of Rhinoknives said, "I have seen the same thing "one time" on a Randall made knife. You can check everything and still once in a long while a hairline fracture or stress riser can make it past quality control."

Then YOU say, "In all reality, you can't expect an "assurance" from any maker as to whether or not a blade will fail under use.
Not just with reclaimed steel either. The steel makers aren't always perfect and neither is any maker.
In 25 years of doing business, HI has had only a couple of known failures like this. Both were replaced.
Like I previously stated, it's all in the manufacturing and quality control process."

So back up 27 months and it was cool with you, just an exclusively rare and basically unpreventable phenomenon that even occurred at YOUR shop. But now it's damning evidence of how those incompetent fiends at KHHI just don't know what they're doing, right? OK, I see how that works now. Or maybe you're a real piece of work?

Do you actually THINK before you post any of this stuff, or are you like a monkey scooping up crap and flinging it at the wall, hoping that some of it will stick? Bless your heart, you DO try ... ;)

Back on point, I'm saying that KHHI is now better than HI in those respects. Or at least their equal. Prove me wrong.
Oh, KHHI has ONE known failure of that type in 23 years of business, and HI had "a couple"? Hmmm.
I recall something about glass houses and stones.

The bad part about this "sirupatespecial" dude is that he started complaining about a rare freak occurrence before contacting the manufacturer about a remedy. That's not cool at all, ALWAYS allow someone the chance to fix a problem before you go running off at the mouth about it. Stuff happens. The good part is that he not only got a replacement but another nice khuk at a huge discount. That's some disaster you brought up there, I'd say it ended pretty well.

"I'll admit they have stepped up their game in the finishing dept recently."

He says begrudgingly, trying to minimize the fact that KHHI is taking QC and customer service to a superior level. No more tolerance for even a measurably small percentage of khuks slipping by the newly trained QC guys. That's the current reality, Bubba.
How ARE sales going for you nowadays? There's quite a few people who've said they're buying KHHIs now, because they can get the same quality and more variety without having to pay 80% more for the HI name. And that's a fact, Jack.

"They are also beefing up their khukuri to heavier models. What company do you think is responsible for their doing so?

More unadulterated BS, and another product of your imagination. They are NOT "beefing up their khukuri to heavier models", a lot of them are lighter than they used to be last fall. Now, they have had a few heavy khuks all along, but nothing like the beasty babies at HI. Face it, they're adding new models across the entire spectrum, and weight has nothing to do with it, so don't make it sound like they are trying to copy your stuff.

Come to think of it, HI has a couple of khuks with finger grooves. Admit it, you copied those from KHHI.

Kargada, you're not only ridiculous, your straw-grasping is pathetic.

"Uncle Bill admittedly had no proof of this, but ..."

Hey, I respect Bill Martino, so don't go dragging his good name into your petulant little screed. You dishonor him.
And if he had no proof of it, then why bring it up? Or are you trying to pull an argumentum ad verecundiam? You don't know this, but that is a logical fallacy. Now you've gone and truly dishonored Mr. Martino, chump. Ms. Yangdu is not going to like that.

"Out of the 3 notable manufacturers, HI is the oldest by 3 years to KHHI and 10 years for the other manufacturer."

It's actually TWO years, but that doesn't matter here because your statement is IRRELEVANT! Nobody was talking about the years that each company started. That's a strawman, another logical fallacy. But if you really want to get down to specifics, both companies were formed at roughly the same time, but the old original Khukuri House wasn't incorporated until later.

"HI has a limited variety of standard products, because quite frankly, it does not want to warehouse a bunch of designs that do not sell well and does not want to waste precious steel, horn, antler, silver....on items that may remain unsold for years,if at all. HI does not wish to squander precious resources or waste kamis talent on speculative product. There is far more that HI makes that is not listed on the website. Many, many variants, one of pieces and special designs have come and gone."

That's all a buncha crap, because first off, you don't understand how a business like khukuris, or ANY business for that matter, should work. I can't believe you said that, and I honestly hope they don't let you anywhere near the business end of anything more complex than a sharp stick! Nobody in their right mind is going to crank out all sorts of different products at random and stock them, hoping that they'll sell someday. It's fairly simple, but it doesn't work like that. Go take a course in microeconomics, or better yet, go watch some 8 year olds run a lemonade stand first.

The other irrational part of your response is that HI doesn't list all of the products they sell. WHAT? Why not?
And I'm not talking about custom pieces, although ... You know what? I'm not telling you anything else. You're failing miserably in many respects, but I'm not gonna help you out unless you pay me. If I wanted to, I could double your profit margin in 6 months. LMMFAO, dude!

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Wow....
Not one but two entire walls of text complete with name calling. I was hoping for better. I don't know how i could make you seem worse than you yourself have.
There are many things you don't understand or take into consideration. I will not educate you, because doing so will be like opening a bankvault for bankrobbers.

This poster must think he's the only one in the world who has acted as a laison or dealer for KHHI. There have been quite a few. Most of them out of business. Why is that?
In his entire 10 month relationship with them, he has brought about such a change in that company that it negates it's many years of poor product and dealings. He wishes reader to believe that KHHI will change it's business ethics and philosophy overnight on his polite suggestion. I suggest that it is just what someone wishes him to believe. You see.... some of those in the khukuri world already know better. After all why should a company have to change to better themselves.... they should have been doing so from the start, as HI has always tried to do. There is such a thing as Dharma. A philosophy that HI was built on and one which this poster doesnt know the true meaning of.
This poster wishes to absolve thieves from its theft and blame the designers?....laughable.
Either way both are culpable for the theft. The designer for sending the design and the business for not doing it's due diligence. Is this the type of company/person any honorable person would knowingly do business with?
As to his dealings with Ms. Martino? If he has spoken to her half as badly as his last two walls of text indicate, it is a wonder he wasnt refunded in whole and told to purchase elsewhere. HI does not wish to cater to the unappeasable.
Anyone who wishes to do a little searching can avail themselves as to just how long HI has produced the designs i described as being stolen. It is a matter of public record. Many of those designs were being sold for many, many years before they were stolen and long before this newcomer and his petulant tirades.
He could done his review without spreading fallacy about HI, yet he wishes to blame me for responding with truths he is not aware of. There is plenty more where that came from.
 
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twolfnm said:
Hi, jac_solar.

First off, don't get me wrong, despite some of their representatives, I LIKE Ms. Yangdu and HI, and they're the only other khuk company I'd ever consider buying from. I just PREFER KHHI, and that's not only because I have an arrangement with them. I outlined my reasons above, and the huge price difference is the primary consideration, even in trade. Especially when I plan on getting at least a dozen khuks! I've only got 6 now. :D

It might have been true in the past that HI's products were of considerably better quality than other khukuri producers, but the khuk scene has changed lately. And as I said, they DO make some great stuff. But aside from some kothimoras, I don't think KHHI will ever produce some of those fancy showpiece-only khuks that HI does. They concentrate on creating working khuks. Those particular HIs might be completely functional, but I wouldn't go out and hack stuff up with them, I'd be afraid to scratch them.

So what I'm talking about here when I speak of quality is not ornate carvings and elaborate scrollwork, with a fine mirror polish. That's not quality, that's just artwork. As you can see, I personally don't like a high polish on my blades. Reflections and weapons don't go together in my world. But I'm talking about all the more practical aspects of the khuks and sheer consistency. That is where KHHI is at least equal to HI.

What I've been doing in the last 10 months with KHHI is to help them improve their business. The concise definition of our focus is on being the best in quality, variety, and price. Of course, the highest priority is on quality, where they have made VAST improvements. I see it all the time now in random samplings of their products, EVERY khuk is supposed to be tight and clean. In the last 8 months, they have made considerable changes. That's how I can justify saying these things. OK? ;)

As to their factory seconds, or "blems", as you call them? I believe they sell those to the local street marketers. I DO know that they are NOT being mixed in with the orders that go out to regular customers. Now, of course there's going to be a substandard piece that gets through here and there. But that happens to EVERYONE in the production business. I have an HI that proves that.

Concerning thickness and weights that are proportionally greater than normal? Well, traditional Nepalese khukuris are NOT extremely thick and heavy for their size. That is an HI thing, and they will tell you that. Matter of fact, ALL of the historical evidence shows that most khuks were normally made in medium to lighter weights, and still are today.

But if you want a big, thick, heavy khuk from KHHI, just custom design the specs like I did with that Service No. 1, it's 36% heavier than their stock gov't issue model, which HI also offers at a light weight. The nice thing is that mine, with full custom design and specs, would still be cheaper than HI's stock British Army Service model. :)

Oh, one last thing, you posted this in response to Karda's vomiting screed:

"In any case, the Mukti design is originally by "Knives By Hand".
And Frank at Knives By Hand is a KHHI designer and dealer, similar to John McCurdy and Andrew Lucas. It's really tough to "steal" a design from a guy who designed something for you. That should clear that up.

Later, man. :)
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Yeah, I'm aware of the Mukti connection -- he says, on his site in the Mukti/Redemption knife description, that KHHI is making a version, cause they could make them cheaper than he could, or something along those lines. I was just trying to point out that it's unlikely that the Mukti design is related to anything HI.

I've been thinking awhile about getting a Khukuri, and the 5 fuller khukuri by KHHI is definitely my, overall, favorite Kukri design, but I'm not very familiar with the knifeworld, let alone the "kukri" knifeworld. (Only been collecting for a few months now.) But, due to speak around BF, or just a general impression about KHHI, I was a bit wary about ordering from them.

I actually talked to Frank a few days ago about the 5 fuller one. But, are the 5 fuller khukuri's' he's selling made by KHHI? So, they will be of the quality you speak of?

Karda said:
In his entire 10 month relationship with them, he has brought about such a change in that company that it negates it's many years of poor product and dealings. He wishes reader to believe that KHHI will change it's business ethics and philosophy overnight on his polite suggestion. I suggest that it is just what someone wishes him to believe. You see.... some of those in the khukuri world already know better. After all why should a company have to change to better themselves.... they should have been doing so from the start, as HI has always tried to do.
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I don't think he was trying to say that he was solely responsible for the change, or that it was because of him; he didn't even say that he had a role in it, I think?
 
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jac_solar said:
I don't think he was trying to say that he was solely responsible for the change, or that it was because of him; he didn't even say that he had a role in it, I think?
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Of course he's not solely responsible. HI has been more responsible for their changes than anything else, just as HI opened up the western market for them thru it's advertising and business practices. Any poor business has been their own doing though.
 
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Hey, Jac. :)

Yes, Frank is selling the fine 5 Chirra "General" model by KHHI. It's a really nice piece in stock configuration, but I'd change the grip for myself. ;) The quality will be outstanding, as with all their other products, don't even think twice about that. The advantage to buying from Frank is that you won't have to wait while one is created and shipped, which is definitely cool.

As far as the question from Kargada, I'm part of the larger team that is improving KHHI, we all communicate with each other.
That should be obvious, but I want to make it clear. And although some of my ideas didn't make the final cut, MOST of the things I suggest are being done.

Regarding the supposed "bad quality" of KHHI stuff in the past, I still maintain that it's mostly contrived BS or a case of mistaken identity. Hell, you saw that an honest guy like JDK actually thought that the stuff from EGKH was related to KHHI.
But that is DEAD WRONG! :)

I want to be sure that everyone knows that I preface every scenario I posted with a big IF, because I STILL am not buying the lame assertions of a now PROVEN LIAR, that KHHI was responsible for the vast majority of the stuff he mentions. Now he's trying to claim credit for anything KHHI did that was good. Such unbridled audacity.

The bottom line is that KHHI doesn't have to change things THAT much, their stuff was always pretty good in a general sense and at purely acceptable levels. But the difference between being "pretty good" and clearly being better than anyone else has ever been will always require a good deal of change.

The most important thing I've taught people in my 34 years of business is that most everyone does a good job on the basics. It's paying strict attention to the DETAILS that makes all the difference, and results in that vast amount of change that I speak of. That is where KHHI MIGHT have been remiss in the past.

"Take care of the details and the big stuff will take care of itself."



So it's not as if everything is going through a major overhaul, not at all. It's really just dozens of little tweaks all over the place, like fine tuning your already nice hot rod to top competition specs.

(Sorry about enlarging and bolding things, but some people don't read very well. ;) )
 
Kargada,
I'm amazed that you have the nerve to show your face around here again. You are so incredibly dense that singularities change course just to avoid you. You really don't get it, do you? Let me make it clear, and I'll type this slowly, just for you:

I've PROVEN beyond all doubt that you are a manipulative LIAR and NOTHING you say will ever change that!



Now get off my lawn, punk.


(I normally NEVER call on anyone to take care of slimy trolls like you, but if you make one more post here, I'm reporting you to the mods. Nobody is going to listen to you and your wild accusations anymore, your credibility is GONE. And I called you "petulant" first, so there! :p)

(Sorry, people. I shouldn't have to be dealing with trolls.) :(
 
One can change a leopards spots, but the animal remains a leopard.
Who is grasping at straws now?.....and name calling again.
Someone so violently enraged he can't figure out how to use a quote button?
 
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Im no professional saleman by any means but this is not the kind of stuff I would post as a representative front to any company. Good luck to ya in your new job (not this one but your next).

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Kargada,
I'm amazed that you have the nerve to show your face around here again. You are so incredibly dense that singularities change course just to avoid you. You really don't get it, do you? Let me make it clear, and I'll type this slowly, just for you:

I've PROVEN beyond all doubt that you are a manipulative LIAR and NOTHING you say will ever change that!



Now get off my lawn, punk.


(I normally NEVER call on anyone to take care of slimy trolls like you, but if you make one more post here, I'm reporting you to the mods. Nobody is going to listen to you and your wild accusations anymore, your credibility is GONE. And I called you "petulant" first, so there! :p)

(Sorry, people. I shouldn't have to be dealing with trolls.) :(
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@ twolfnm

I'm going to say this once, additional posts will be made without name calling or insults. You will also cease any and all promotion of KHHI at your current membership level. If you want to promote or advertise future "discounted" sales to forum members, pony up and get a dealer membership. Continue on as you are and your stay here may ending up being a brief one.

Thanks

Jason
 
Well, if there's no connection I'll take your word for it, but an EGKH affiliated website mentions KHHI on two separate pages:
http://www.nepalkukrihouse.com/EGKH-Privacy-Policy/25_Securiy-Policy.php

"Offline payment:
If you prefer not to use your credit card over the internet (Pay online) then EGKH also facilitates its customers by providing options payment methods. Please see below the various payment methods KHHI offers:"

and
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Let KHHI know most folks around here are going to do some research and see this stuff pretty quickly and it certainly makes it seem they are one company. I assume KHHI could have something done in country to at least get their name off the EGKH pages. Take care.
 
Some stimulating reading here. I actually got some popcorn for this one...at any rate, I own both HI and the old Kukri House knives. Both work well with the nod going to HI for fit and finish. HI blades sport a higher polish than my KH knives.

My KH products were stamped 2008. The newest versions have their own logo, the older knives had no such thing. The KH kuks have performed well for me in the field. Most of them are a bit on the rough side, with fit/finish notably less refined than the HI products. That being said, my KH tools have stood the test of time. I basically have few complaints and am happy with the price point.

HI makes a gorgeous, classic kukri that is every bit as sturdy and reliable as any KH product I have ever used.
 
Stubai, I think KH is the defunct outfit which originally employed Sgt. Khadka, of Bonecutter fame, before he went to work for HI. I could be wrong, but I don't believe it's associated with any of the current khukuri houses. I did handle an old KH Bonecutter Sarge made before going to HI and it was a hard core user. The owner uses it to chop roots when digging!
 
jdk1 said:
Stubai, I think KH is the defunct outfit which originally employed Sgt. Khadka, of Bonecutter fame, before he went to work for HI. I could be wrong, but I don't believe it's associated with any of the current khukuri houses. I did handle an old KH Bonecutter Sarge made before going to HI and it was a hard core user. The owner uses it to chop roots when digging!
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Sgt. Khadka of HI fame has been a friend for many years and AFAIK has never worked for anyone but himself in his own arun and has only done work for HI.
 
Karda said:
Sgt. Khadka of HI fame has been a friend for many years and AFAIK has never worked for anyone but himself in his own arun and has only done work for HI.
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You would know better than I, but I thought the original Khadka BC was sold (for a short while) way back when under another company name? Leatherman here on BFc has one. It's the one I handled and I thought it was stamped KH. I know he's had it for a long time. Now I'm curious, but was thinking that older company wasn't related to the current khukuri houses anyway. I may have the rest totally screwed up:D Take care.
 
jdk1 said:
You would know better than I, but I thought the original Khadka BC was sold (for a short while) way back when under another company name? Leatherman here on BFc has one. It's the one I handled and I thought it was stamped KH. I know he's had it for a long time. Now I'm curious, but was thinking that older company wasn't related to the current khukuri houses anyway. I may have the rest totally screwed up:D Take care.
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The original bonecutters were sold by jag & prem of another outfit which went missing/defunct. HI searched everywhere for them and could not find them.
Since HI was given permission to reproduce, it has continued making them off and on.
 
Karda said:
The original bonecutters were sold by jag & prem of another outfit which went missing/defunct. HI searched everywhere for them and could not find them.
Since HI was given permission to reproduce, it has continued making them off and on.
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I missed your last post. You got it right. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Apparently this user twolfnm has been on a forum spamming rampage since late last year. So far a search reveals at least a half dozen or more sites with exact duplicates of this and his other thread. Posting covert sales threads under the guise of "reviews". In those threads he is also trying to act as a liason or dealer offering discounts to members on forums which require dealer memberships to do so. His abrasive nature has not won him any graciousness points at these places any more than it has here.

In knifeforums he basically took an unrelated thread off topic with his shilling and then argued finer points of historical khukuri with collectors who have been collecting and studying them for many, many years while calling out a moderator of the forum. Bear in mind that by his own admission, twolfnm has only ONE HI product and no Tora product and his historical knowledge is next to nil. He does not have a very good working knowledge of khukuri at all. Especially when it comes to what makes a good chopping khukuri..... Yet he feels qualified to make assessments of quality, workmanship and business practices of other companies.

The HI khukuri that he owns and complained about here could have been returned for refund. His choice was to keep it.

Just so twolfnm is aware...... he is no longer welcome at HI, on it forums and is on the do not sell list.

Pardon me, but I smell personal vendetta here and any purchaser should consider the source and beware of Timberwolves in sheepish clothing.


http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/935265/tp/2/


http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?post/2576746/

Berkley,

I was being cordial with you, but we went through this before on another post. It's obvious that you still have fairly poor reading comprehension abilities. If you thought that was confusing, I don't know what to say.

You toss out a strawman, which is a logical fallacy, with your bit about having to personally handle these to "appreciate" them. What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about history, not handling. Or is that supposed to be a different fallacy, an appeal to authority? Illogical, either way.

You missed an entire standalone sentence: "But also at this point, I can say I was right, and that there were indeed a popular series of WWI-WWII khuks that weighed 850g-950g. But Spiral ID's them as MkIs."

I shouldn't have had to put that in bold, because it was sitting there all by itself for emphasis. That's also where I should have said HALF right, because I was wrong about the series number. But I WAS right that there were a lot of WWI-WWII timespan khuks that weighed that much. I admitted to a mistake, but you missed it.
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Hi, jdk.

First off, damned fine review, I love a lot of good pics.

However, with how poorly made that khuk is, with that twisted, bent blade? That is junk, dude. I'd tell Simon to replace it, and pay all the shipping costs. Really!

It lists for about $150 plus $15-20 shipping. I'd expect it to be VERY nice. That should've never gone out the door. I'd be pissed. But that's JMNSHO ...

Actually, I'd keep it myself, to show the absolute lack of QC at Tora. At least it wasn't covered in deep rust like the one from the last batch that some poor guy got stuck with.

Even though I deal with KHHI, I was going to order a couple of Toras a few months ago. Now I'm glad I didn't.

As far as historical authenticity, there were a LOT of khuks issued to the Gurkhas in that timespan that were the same profile, but about 250-300g heavier.

Here's the take on it from a real Nepali, born into a Gurkha family, who's done extensive research on khukuris. YMMV.

Gurkha Issue 3

Sorry, I don't intend to be mean, but that khuk should be on its way back to England.
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Really, this dude called out Berkley??? He's only the most knowledgable person I know in the vintage kukri arena.

I wonder if the owners at KHHI know that this guy is costing them more sales than he could create with a real unbiased review.
 
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