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Bad RONINUSMC stole my money. Beware!
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Vaporstang
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Maybe this factored in the use of F&F with the extra concerns of selling and shipping international, making it easier to scam. I assume the seller asked for it or required it? Would be nice to hear from RONINUSMC. Not very becoming of someone bearing the USMC acronym...
That is also a consideration.
No communication and f&f is a huge issue. @RONINUSMC needs to chime in here.
The dishonesty started before money was exchanged for requesting a F&F payment. Misusing PayPal services to cheat PayPal out of the fee. That lack of integrity should have been your first clue of expecting trouble.
No matter how people try to justify it, F&F payments for product or services is stealing plain and simple
No matter how people try to justify it, F&F payments for product or services is stealing plain and simple
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I looked at the listing, and the seller does say '$xxx shipped' midway down the page. That implies, to me, Goods & Services. The listing doesn't say 'f&f'. Somebody did post a link to the rules for selling, and the seller responded.
I don't have any idea what may have been communicated privately back and forth between the two parties. We don't know why the seller hasn't responded. We don't know that he won't respond.
The buyer is in Russia, that's a risky place to send merchandise. If the knife does arrive safely, it could well take months. We all know that the buyer claims to have sent money, and if he did in fact send money, he chose to ignore page after page of warnings not to use Friends & Family.
I've seen a lot of these threads, and the first party to complain always gets the sympathy of the group. The seller may well be a problem, I don't know. But we're only seeing one side of the argument. We've seen more than one instance where the first guy to complain ended up being at fault.
Like I said earlier, it'd be nice to hear from the seller. I am bothered by the name calling by folks not knowing the whole story. Why not let this thing unfold a bit before we light the torches?
I don't have any idea what may have been communicated privately back and forth between the two parties. We don't know why the seller hasn't responded. We don't know that he won't respond.
The buyer is in Russia, that's a risky place to send merchandise. If the knife does arrive safely, it could well take months. We all know that the buyer claims to have sent money, and if he did in fact send money, he chose to ignore page after page of warnings not to use Friends & Family.
I've seen a lot of these threads, and the first party to complain always gets the sympathy of the group. The seller may well be a problem, I don't know. But we're only seeing one side of the argument. We've seen more than one instance where the first guy to complain ended up being at fault.
Like I said earlier, it'd be nice to hear from the seller. I am bothered by the name calling by folks not knowing the whole story. Why not let this thing unfold a bit before we light the torches?
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It does sometime take time for these things to unfold. It is very disconcerting that the seller has been active on BF and yet not responded - not even an "I can't respond now, but I will later" type of response.
1. The shipping address in the New Hampshire. No INTL shipping.
2. Seller may well be a problem, so I still haven’t put him a negative feedback in the profile.
3. I still waiting any answer from seller.
4. I paid by FF many times here- even after changing the rules, apparently I was too gullible to the seller with a lot of positive feedbacks. Why then do we need these feedbacks ?!
Thank you all for your kind words, I opened the thread to somehow affect the seller.
The next step will be a negative feedback in his profile.
I never did this, it’s unpleasant.
2. Seller may well be a problem, so I still haven’t put him a negative feedback in the profile.
3. I still waiting any answer from seller.
4. I paid by FF many times here- even after changing the rules, apparently I was too gullible to the seller with a lot of positive feedbacks. Why then do we need these feedbacks ?!
Thank you all for your kind words, I opened the thread to somehow affect the seller.
The next step will be a negative feedback in his profile.
I never did this, it’s unpleasant.
Ugh...this kind of stuff gives me heartburn. A very pricey lesson has been learned (hopefully he will be made whole by PayPal or by @RONINUSMC actually sending him the knife). The case just got much more interesting since the purchaser has a US address...no risky shipping to Russia. Best of luck to Turbo4x4.
Turbo4x4
I would recommend that you file a claim with PayPal, even though you used F&F for payment, it doesn't hurt to try.
Also you don't have to bother with leaving negative feedback, I plan on banning @RONINUSMC shortly for being a scammer/thief.
I did a little searching earlier and found this... posted a few days ago.
https://www.armslist.com/posts/1039...-sale-trade--emerson-kack-sf-wtt-for-handgun-
The KACK #54 is also listed on another site for sale or trade as well.
The seller offered a choice - F&F or G&S plus fees.
So this is really theft. Until the last moment I was hoping that this was some kind of force majeure
I agree that persistent and polite conversations with a PayPal supervisor is the best option, at this point.
If you used a major credit card to fund your purchase, call them up and push for a chargeback. You may need to declare something appropriate, like you being the victim of fraud for instance.
If you used a major credit card to fund your purchase, call them up and push for a chargeback. You may need to declare something appropriate, like you being the victim of fraud for instance.
Thanks for the clarification. If the payment was funded with a credit card you may be able to do a charge back. How that would work since it was F&F I don't know but check into it if that's the case. Hopefully, the seller will respond here and clear this up and resolve the issue
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