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Show us your bearings

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Mtneer, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. Mtneer

    Mtneer Gold Member Gold Member

    463
    Feb 18, 2003
    One thing I love about knives is the intricate inner workings. Pretty much any knife that I plan to keep and use gets opened up at some point for cleaning and inspection. Even the loose IKBS bearings. Honestly I do it mostly just because I like to see the guts.

    Anyway here are a few of mine. Let's see what your got

    Shirogorov Custom Division Hati on roller bearings
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    Shirogorov F3 on single row ball bearings.
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    Reate Horizon D with captive ball bearings. Much easier to deal with than the loose Shiorgorov rollers or balls.
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  2. Blues Bender

    Blues Bender Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    Ceramic MRBS
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    Ceramic IKBS
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    Caged/sealed Bearings
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  3. tokerblue

    tokerblue

    May 1, 2010
    I didn't even know about roller bearings. Those look really cool.
     
  4. Mtneer

    Mtneer Gold Member Gold Member

    463
    Feb 18, 2003
    I love the rollers too, and that is just the mid level for Shirogorov. They have another version that are multi row rollers. Very cool, and very expensive.

    This is not mine but a pic from a similar thread in a Shiro forum.

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    This is a picture of a multi row ball bearing set up in a Shirogorov Hati Club knife that I used to own.

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    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
  5. chopsaki

    chopsaki

    305
    Feb 4, 2014
    Cool pics! I like the roller bearings. I appreciate the technology but I also like the simplicity of the Teflon washers on my Hinderer.
     
  6. Mtneer

    Mtneer Gold Member Gold Member

    463
    Feb 18, 2003
    Here is some love for the washers. This Sebenza is as slick as many of my blades on bearings.

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  7. Mtneer

    Mtneer Gold Member Gold Member

    463
    Feb 18, 2003
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  8. whitty

    whitty Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Aug 25, 2005
    The ZT0456!

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  9. Sonnydaze

    Sonnydaze Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 6, 2009
    "a multi row ball bearing set up in a Shirogorov Hati Club knife" is a very interesting design, that I've never seen before. I have NO idea how it performs compared to other bearing designs.
     
  10. Vicarious Reality

    Vicarious Reality

    Apr 9, 2008
    Most curious.... would roller cylinder bearings really be better than balls....
     
  11. GermanyChris

    GermanyChris

    Feb 18, 2015
    They should be because the knife blade only moves one way.

    The roller bearing would probably be a bit more "sticky" because of theres more bearing surface in contact with the blade but it should also be stronger for the same reason.

    OFC this is all guessing and smart people will probably be along shortly to tell me I'm wrong
     
  12. GatorFlash1

    GatorFlash1 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 28, 2012
    While it is interesting to see the various types of knife bearings, in my opinion bearings in a folding knife just to ease or speed the opening is a big stretch, excessive engineering from those who need a real job.

    Bearings are great for something that has rotation, lots of it, think car wheels, or engine RPM, or chain saws.

    For knives, I think they are so much fluff. You want a fast opening knife, buy an automatic or assisted knife, don't waste your money on a knife just because it has some variety of bearings.

    I know I'll get blasted for my opinion. But, I want to know how many openings a year, or how fast it should open, or how smooth it should feel when opening a knife the knife bearing folks think it takes to really benefit from intricate roller or ball bearings in a knife.

    Here is a great link to the American Bearings Organization that discusses their types and use.

    http://www.americanbearings.org/?page=what_are_bearings

    If you are a bearings lover or aficionado, I would be curious to know what type of lube you use to keep them clean and working properly.

    I EDC a Spyderco Gayle Bradley and it works fine for my shop and yard duties. The prices is also reasonable. I obviously would not pay more for a knife that was more complicated and required special maintenance to keep it opening.

    http://centavogear.blogspot.com/2012/05/spyderco-gayle-bradley-carbon-fiber.html
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2016
  13. tockay

    tockay

    26
    Sep 25, 2016
    I understand what GatorFlash1 is saying. The function of a knife is not just to be opened and closed. In terms of bearings, they work really well and give the smoothest opening and closing I have experienced. That is good as long as the forces on the blade are rotational, if there are lateral or sideways forces the bearing contact area is very small so the pressure on that point is very high, this implies more rapid wear. I am not sure if the bearings roll on the liner, looking at the ZT photo it looks like they do. Bearings under pressure in engines run on hardened steel bearing cups. You would think in the ZT at least they would have special steel cup inserts pressed into the liner. Bronze washers avoid some of these problems.
     
  14. 19-3ben

    19-3ben Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 27, 2015
    Those multi-row setups are pretty cool looking. I hate to be "that guy" but I actually have a real question that I'm asking out of interest rather than to be a Debby Downer.... Do they actually make any difference? Is there any reason why multiple rows of bearings, or that cool looking radiating looking one would actually be smoother or stronger, or more reliable, or anything that a single row of bearings wouldn't?

    Edit to add- I know that the debate between phosphate washers vs. bearings is one of those things that just causes wars (the knife equivalent of 9mm v. 45acp), and I really don't want to derail the thread with that. I'm asking because I've never seen bearings in a knife other than a single row.
     
  15. Daniel Dorn

    Daniel Dorn Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 21, 1999
    I'm all for engineering, for engineering's sake. It's a way to show off one's ability. No one (well not everyone) get's upset when a mechanical watch with 15 complications is created, and costs a fortune. A smartphone has 100 times the capabilities, and costs only a fraction of the watch. It's all about the art and ability of the creators. If you have the money to celebrate that, and purchase an over-engineered complex piece of art, more power to you. I know I would, if I could. :D
     
  16. binbin

    binbin

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    Mar 3, 2019
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  17. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 28, 2011
    From a practical engineering perspective, I agree that bearing pivots are largely a solution in search of a problem. However, knives are a great deal more than simple tools for the majority of us and fun, flickability is a totally legitimate selling point. For that, bearings excel, so they absolutely serve a purpose.
     
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