Spear techniques

All this talk about guns and I live in Australia :(
On the upside at least there is next to no chance of getting shot.

Lotsa talk on the TV now about banning machette's :`(
 
If you are serious about a spear for self defense indoors consider the Assegai. Short. wicked blade. Designe for close quarters combat. Worked for the Zulu. I have a couple of Cold Steel, but there are other makers.As everyone here has said, my first choice is firearm, handgun or shotgun. But I am a firm believer in being able to use as many types of weapons as possible. Most especially improvised.
Terry

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But not this one
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CS is a guilty pleasure of mine...at least their special products like the bushman, hawks, war hammer, etc. However, LT just cracks me up every time I watch a Proof DVD. He's kinda like the Ted Turner of the knife world.
That said, I would really like a bore spear...just to mess with the neighbors. Ya know, pack a 6' lugged spear, a YCS khuk with full tool set, and a .50 muzzleloader in the bed of the truck while wearing a pith helmet.

"Whacha doin' with all the stuff there, Jake?"

"Oh, the wife and I have a real nice trip to the zoo planned. Say, you like white meat or dark meat?" <<fires up pipe and puffs serveral times>>..."Indeed."


Wait, what were we talkin' about again?
Jake
 
Guns or spears? You guys make it sound like it's an either/or question.

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Yugoslavian SKS's can still be found for under $200 and are debatably the finest incarnation of Simonov's dream. An M1 will cost a bit more than that but you wanted one anyway...admit it. Both would do a serviceable job of defending a home with the Carbine getting the nod, particularly with frangible bullets.

(And just between you and me, few things in life are as pleasurable as a good bayonet charge against derelict refrigerators at the gravel pit.)

If you must have a spear, I've been unable to destroy Cold Steel's Bushman (mounted as a spearhead) and Boar Spear heads as of yet, even when throwing them at wooden targets. Both mount easily on the hardwood shovel handles available at the local hardware store. They are relatively inexpensive. Ragnar's spearhead oozes old world charm but seems to be made of iron; mine broke quickly at the juncture between the socket and the head, which appeared to be a ball joint that was incompletely forge welded (or possibly swaged) together. Mine may have been defective.
 

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Too funny Jake. I think the Bushman is underrated. Great steel, simple design and a good price. I bet backyard BBQs at Lynn Thompson's house are a riot. Probably have the paramedics on standby.
Terry
 
Dave,

This is surprising. (Given your penchant for destructive testing.) I was there when Byron broke a CS Bushman by nothing more than throwing it at plywood. (For the record, Byron is one of the two most dangerous people I've observed with a thrown bladed object, the other being uber-dan in the Bujinkan Bud Malstrom.) I was also present when my (now ex)wife bent a CS assegai badly by throwing it at plywood. (In fairness, it was a bad throw.) I'm not saying anything especially NEGATIVE about the Bushman, but both Byron and I were surprised it broke so easily. I did take a 4' dowel, and taper one end. I gave this and a Bushman to Bud, who was going on safari in Africa as an observer. That way, even though he couldn't be armed, he could have a belt knife and a short staff. My idea was to drill through the shaft, in line with the hole, and then put a pin through it. In case of deadly threat, that belt knife and useful walking stick would become a short spear.

Surprisingly, I don't find a 7' spear hard to maneuver in the house, and working in a confined space (hallway, etc) is actually easier, since it's harder for your quarry- er, adversary to evade. You just stick and flick, stick and flick. One good stick, though, and it's over.

Dale Seago is a ranking Buj dan, and prominent on Sword Forums. Yes, there are other ways to use a spear, other than just jabbing, but they're a little more advanced. I was told by someone who should know- who has over 30 years MA experience- that a 7' spear is best if you're a very good martial artist, but otherwise, a 9' is best.

I don't know how good I'd claim to be, but a 7' spear feels pretty good. 9' is extremely powerful- the typical training spears we were using were about 1 1/4" Purple Heart- but harder to maneuver in other than a back and forth motion. If one did use a circular strike, though, it was like Thor's Hammer hitting.

John
 
I've had some fun with an older version of cold steels assegai, for some years they made three sizes, I've got two of the small ones and a boar spear (came with a puny 5' shaft, swaped out for 8').

I have yet to break one (broken plenty of shafts learning how to throw). They have been thrown against trees, plywood, rocks (poor aim), and stainless steel chainmail armor. I did manage to get some decent penetration on the chainmail after hammering away at the same spot, I would not want to be inside that armor when some one was throwing one of those at me.

On every ones favorite auction site there is a listing for the medium size assegai (you have to read descriptions cafully to find it), not as huge as the current offering but still a 12 inch blade with the short shaft. Great size for throwing or thrusting.

There are inumerable fight books of the european tradition that list spear fighting. Titles are not coming to mind right now but I'll see what I can hunt up at home.

Patrick
 
Another vote for the bayonet. Especially in the dark, on your own turf. 2x the surprise and a fear element that may exceed the firearm's.




Mike:)
 
If anyone is serious about having a spear for home defense, then you ought to think about what happens after the fight is over. It's much easier to explain using a broken closet dowel to defend yourself than having an assegai by your bedside table.
(I take this stuff seriously and I dont want yall to go to jail)

On a different note, there are virtually NO spears that I know of that were designed for throwing, and certainly not at stationary wooden objects.
The thing that people throw at each other is called a dart (the traditional term, not the little toy) and is a three foot long, heavy arrow with a rope for retrieving it. Or, you could use a javelin.
 
LOL, What a strange world we live in where it's more acceptable to shoot an intruder with a shotgun than it is to use a sword or spear to defend your home and family in a court of law.
 
Using a knife means you liked it.
munk

That's right. Use a machete or knife to fend for you life, and you're Jason Voorhees.
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Empty a clip into them and you're Rambo:D
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Ideally, in the neo-traditional spirit of America, you should talk calmly with a home invader. Don't shoot him. Don't stab him. For God's sake, he has a RIGHT to go rummaging through your things taking what he wants. Denying him that by use of force might hurt his widdle feewings. None of us want that, do we? Of course not. Just talk it through. Maybe make him a cup of coffee. And if you end up like this....
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please remember...it was just his up-bringing, and he can't help that:rolleyes: ;)

I say jab him once, and he won't want none. If he does, jab him twice and twist, won't be none. Part of being a career criminal is knowing how to pick your targets. My place is a bad target. Go across the street. They have nicer things and are never home....did I forget to mention that they have a 900lb cybernetic rot with jaws like a beartrap and a heart as dark as coal?:confused: ;) He'll figure it out.

In all seriousness, I have an old shotty and a club for bumps in the night. My house is small so really any noise can be investigated by taking a look right outside of our room. Generally, i just take the club. It probably won't kill him, but it'll knock the tar out of him. 30" of ash terminating into an end with leather-wrapped 9/16" galvi bolts will do that to ya. Thankfully, the only masked bandits that I have found around our house are the 4 legged kind that get into the neighbors garbage:D

Jake
 
Years ago I worked in a small group of construction workers. One of the fellows had a sister who was being raped in front of their house. Well this fellow [ no slouch] used his .38

6 shots, ..........dead, dead and dead. He did 6 years because the judge said it didn't need 6 bullets to stop the rape. :mad:

Sam S.
 
Spears and shields.......

Think about the epic battle betwwen the Spartans and the persians...hundreds against thousands withen a narrow battlefield....that worked.
 
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