Survival in the Inner City

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I am just an ordinary resident of a suburb so I know nothing about life in an inner city.

By inner city, I mean those deprived, best forgotten areas in a city where drugs are commons, crime rampant and mugging ordinary.

I have seen some documentaries on life in the inner city. It doesn't project a better tomorrow. I see evidence of kids who have a tough time reaching the age of 25 and live to tell about it.

How does an "ordinary" person survive in such an environment? You can't live decently in such an area. You have no place to go. Hope is about all you have.

Your next birthday is much like a lottery thing. You are too down-and-out to go anywhere else. To make things worse, you have dependents.

Life is a constant struggle. There is no light at the end of the tunnel.

How does a person survive, strive and then thrive in an inner city?
 
I have great respect for those who grow up in the inner city and make it to college and success. I know I couldn't do it. As for surviving as a white guy passing through the inner city. Watch what's going on around you, look like you have a purpose. Don't make any waves and be well enough armed to handle other people's waves. It goes without saying that you should stay out of these areas as much as physically possible. If you must go, don't go alone. If you must go alone, don't go after dark. Unless your a social worker or a police officer, there's no good reason to be in these areas. Of course, just as in every other place on earth, there are great people, evil people, and everything in between. People aren't more evil there, it's just that the evil ones can act with impunity. Whatever you do, don't wander around a bad neighborhood with a map asking for directions. Do whatever you must not to look lost or like an easy victim.
 
Just thought I'd let you know --

Ron Hood, my co-moderator in the Wilderness Forum, will be releasing a new video in the near future called "Urban Survival." It will cover everything from awareness and proper tactics when walking, improvising things from car parts, etc. for your needs (lots of MacGyver-like stuff -- like using your car as a generator in an emergency to power your house), defensive strategies, etc. It's filmed in Detroit, and he rides along with the Assistant Chief and many line officers as well.

BTW, Ron was the consultant to the TV show McGyver -- he invented all the cool things McGyver did to improvise his way out of situations on the show. He's also former Army Security Agency (the "super-spooks" of the Army), and so is as well-versed in the tactical realm as he is in the wilderness realm. He also has a nasty and very effective seio nage judo throw.

Best,

Brian.
 
before moving to the 'burbs in '95, i lived in north central austin, tied for the #1 area for CFS (calls for service to 911) a stat used by many to gauge the crime in the area - my area ran the gamut, from crack, heroin, to all kinds of fraud, etc - definitly better be on your toes if ya are a white boy trying to make it there - i went to college, a university, got lucky w/a inheritance and subsequent investments in '96 and '97 and was outta there by late '95 - the area i live in now is night and day different - no gunshots at night, loud music, etc - AND my old area, the block were i lived, was mostly retirees who had lived there for yrs - was only robbed once ( a necklace grabbed off my neck) and no burglaries - no concealed carry in tx then, but i carried anyway, usually a .32 PPK on me, w/OC and a knife, and a 12 gauge in the trunk/backseat (legal) and payed attention to my surroundings - ya get sick of being hit up for $20, the going rate for a crack rock, everyone needs $20 for kids, etc when ya know its for drugs - but, honestly, some very good people of all colors live there, and i'm not sure the people generally werent more polite in the old bad area, i guess they figured ya were ready for ****, much less likely to flip ya off on the road, etc than in the new 'hood - but must say was a relief to move, have talked to some of my new neighbors about it, and they couldnt comprehend having to carry a SIG P220 .45 out w/ya in the AM to get the paper, on a regular basis - its a hard place to live, but not impossible..........actually had its good points, i have a good 'BS detector' now, and pay much more attention to surroundings, than i would have w/out the experience, would be hard to suprise me now lol,


sifu
 
I spent a significant portion of my childhood living in an urban area similar to what you have described here, thankfully I have been able to move past that over the last few years. I can honestly tell you that if you have not lived there there is nothing that you can do to keep the locals from seeing you as a potential victim. Blending in in a place like that is not somthing you learn in the same sense as you learn wilderness survival or self defense or anything else. If you didn't grow up there, you will be an outsider and there is nothing you can do to change that.

Please understand that I am not saying that you can't learn how to defend yourself or fight off an attacker or something like that. I'm saying that there is no way that anybody could learn how to look as though they belong there without years of experience and exposure.

If you should be unfortunate enough to end up in such an area by mistake, my advice would be to drive as fast as you deem safe and absolutely do not get out of your car. Preferably turn around and go out the way you came in, to avoid the chance of getting lost. If you are confronted don't rely on your "armaments or training" and try to fight it out with somebody or intimidate people. Most of these people are drug addicts who have nothing left to live for and will eat you alive unless you are spectacular at protecting yourself. Remember, if you see one, there are lots more around. Just keep driving as fast as possible.
 
I just remembered that there is yet another reason not to get physical with crack heads and gang members. Drug users in the inner city are a major at-risk group for a plethora of interesting diseases, most notably AIDS. Common sense would dictate that you really don't want to go stabbing anybody who is quite possibly infected with a lethal bloodborne illness. I don't know of any cases where AIDS has been contracted during a street fight, but any big-city police officer will tell you that AIDS is definately a concern when dealing with urban druggies.
 
fishbulb,

Excellent advice, and thanks for sharing from an insiders view. I do know of one guy who got the HIV virus from jabbing his finger into an attacker's eye...other than that, I haven't heard about things, but your advice there is sound.

Cops talk about how it takes them a year or so, in their daily work life, to develop "street eyes and street sense" after the academy. And that's 8 hours a day, five or six days a week, for at least a year, to learn it.

You have to be very careful in gang areas about how you respond to even an innocupous thing like "everything cool?" frm a gang member. They often use rival gang members call phrases and/or signs (like the "ok" sign) in a friendly way, then when you respond "yeah, everythin's cool", they think you're a rival and will likely blow you away. Best thing is not to respond to people in these areas if they approach you, not even with a gesture, in case you do the wrong thing, and get mistaken for a rival. Even if you don't look the part, they may kill you just to make sure.

Look for graffiti, with symbols, and try to get to know the gang icons/symbols in your area. I recently found a god site for some info and research on gangs that might help here:

http://www.gangsorus.com

A good start is the frequently asked questions section...


Best,

Brian.
 
I sure hope I wouldn't let ungrounded fear of contracting AIDS or some other such disease slow or limit my actions in time of need. I'd think the odds of immediate death or injury from failure to act swiftly and decisively would outweigh the odds of contracting such a disease well after the fact.

Do what you have to do. Then clean up.
 
Bae,

Understood -- I think what we're referring to here, or meant to imply, is that if you can run, that's your first best option. Fighting it out is the last best option.
 
Got it. I vastly prefer the "just don't be there" strategy myself :)
 
First off, drugs are the least of your worries in such an environment. You should be about as affraid of a drug dealer as you are of a guy who runs a hotdog stand. You should be as affraid of a drug addict as you are of a guy who really wants to eat a hotdog. Drugs are a product for sale and consumption, nothing more.

If some random dude asks you what you need, and you don't need any drugs, tell him nothing. I have yet to see a drug dealer cram drugs down the throat of a passerby. The whole pusher thing seems to either be b.s. or based on something that happened long, long ago. If someone asks to borrow a dime or a nickle or somesuch, tell him you don't have anything or you're clean or something to the effect.

You only run into problems with "drug people" when you are somehow involved in the business, as a supplier or purchaser. Don't buy drugs, don't sell drugs, and you've got little to worry about. If you do feel like buying drugs, buy from a middle aged or older dealer. He is there to make a living. He might try to rip you off, sell you some bad product, gouge prices, or any thing like that, but you are fairly assured of walking away alive and unmolested. DO NOT try to buy drugs off anyone under 25, especialy if "they be thug'n" or trying to look like a "gangsta" or whatever it is they like to say these days. We all watch tv, you know what the type looks like. Those are the ones you have to worry about, because they are wrapped up in the image, they are idolizing criminal behaviour, and they will turn on you. Every time.

The druggies themselves, well, it is like drunks. Some are angry when intoxicated, others are completely mellowed out. Some will break into your car, others will sell handjobs for cash or something. Very few will violently confront you. They want some money or something they can trade for drugs, not a fight. Quite a few think it is okay to steal from a business or rich person, but wrong to steal from a regular sort of person. That last goes for most people down there.

If you don't match the ethnic background, or it is obvious you have no business down there, do not make eye contact with anyone. Pretend you don't notice them, even if it means staring at a fixed point in space or looking away from them. If you stare, they will come interact with you. Maybe they will try to sell you drugs, maybe they will just come and put a hurt'n on you. Either way, you basicaly want to just pass through like you never were there, so don't say anything, don't look at anyone. Try not to look like you could possibly be affiliated with a gang in any way. Gangs tend to be most violent towards other gang members, rather than just random strangers.

Sometimes it can suck to be of the same ethnic background as the local populace. I hear quite a number of fellows in the various places I periodicaly find myself commenting on a rape case that made it to the newspaper that "I know better than to take p*ssy from a white woman/b*tch".

If walking on foot, occasionaly you will find a local denizen who will follow you, or lead you, but without any intent to do you harm. He is your escort. He may or may not say something like "you don't belong here", but it is in the "you better find a way out quick before some nasty fellow takes exception to you!" way, not the "I'm gonna beat you down" way. Generaly speaking, don't be too alarmed.

Sometimes you will pass by a gaggle of rough looking sorts, and they will send a representative out to talk to you. He will usualy say something along the lines of "those guys over there want to beat your @ss, but I don't so I am trying to cool them off". He will then usualy ask for you to give him your wallet, your bags, your hat, something of that nature. Usualy you can talk him out of it. But, always keep walking. That way if it does come to blows, at least there is some distance between himself and his allies. Oddly enough, this one has never gone sour for me. I don't know what exactly the deal is, though it happens all the time. I am not sure if the representative really doesn't want anything to happen, or if I am just lucky. Who knows?

"The streets" aren't such a terribly lethal place, actualy. On any given day, you have a really good chance of going about your business without any troubles. Any given night, too. And in any given neighborhood. Oh, sure, you'll get all sorts of people telling you how "hard" their life back in "the `hood" was, and then they'll say they are from some infamous district in some notorious city. It is all pretty much B.S., and don't believe otherwise. If you mind your own business and don't get involved with drugs and gangs, your chances are really good.

Also, as they say, when it's on, it's on. Once someone gets in your face, there will be violence. At that stage there is no talking your way out of it or running away. That is basicaly how the badguys get themselves psyched up and impress their friends. Well, that isn't entirely true. You can talk your way out of that situation, and then think you got madd urban survival skillz, but in reality it was a B.S. situation to begin with and you were in no real danger. Anyway, your best bet when someone gets in your face is to attack immediately and in a devestating manor. And be prepared to fight ten of his largest friends at the same time. Yeah, that part sucks.

Hmm... there is way too much to say to be able to put it all down in a thread. The main point is, 9/10ths of what you here about "today's violent urban environment" is utter cr@p. Just a way to promote a martial fantasy or sell products. It is very survivable. Countless people live their whole lives in such an environment with few to no bad experiences. Stay away from trouble, and trouble stays away from you.

Of course, that assumes you aren't a total dumb@ss without a single ounce of common sense about you. As soon as you start doing the "I'm not prejudiced!" and "I don't judge books by their cover!" and "Love thy neighbor" thing, you're basicaly screwed. Remember, don't talk to anyone, and if you have to say something, say it is simple words easily understood by anyone and in a way that clearly conveys your intentions. And don't make eye contact.

Now that I think about it, the street is a lot like Microsoft Windows. Especialy Windows 95 release A. Weird.
 
Excellent advice, and thanks for sharing from an insiders view.
Brian Jones

First off, I would like to apologize if anybody got the mistaken impression that I was somehow an expert on the iner city. I've never been in a gang or been a drug dealer or anything like that, I just spent a few years in a pretty rough neighborhood. I certainly wouldn't consider myself an "insider" to these activities.

I would have to agree with most of Snickersnee's previous post. I think that for the most part the threat of the inner city has been overhyped in recent years. The thing to remember is that places like this are about the next best thing to international waters as far as impunity from prosecution is concerned. This means that if somebody wants to do you harm there is very little besides yourself to stop them; relative to a shopping mall, for example. And people will be more likely to look at you as a potential victim if you look out of place.

About the only thing that I would disagree with that I've seen posted so far is the part about "drug people". The dealers aren't a problem (they already have 100% demand for their product, the last thing they will do is resk their life to force drugs upon you), but addicts can be very aggressive if they need money. I get the impression that this threat has been reduced somewhat since the early days of the crack trade, but tere are still guys out there who can be violent. Why ask you for a buck when he can kill you for everything you got? But most of them sleep during the day anyway. Think of them like you would any other animal.

I agree that the biggest threat is from gang members trying to defend a worthless piece of asphalt from intruders. If they decide to give you a problem there is very little you can do to prevent violence. That is where the part about not looking like a lost tourist or scared suburbanite comes in handy. If you keep your wits about you and are ready to do what is neccisary to protect yourself (preferably with lead rather than steel) in case things do go wrong there is no reason not to complete your business in the area. I just wouldn't reccommend wandering around for fun or something like that.
 
fishbulb,

Sorry -- wasn't implying at all that you were a gang insider of any sort, or someone who participated in these activities. I just meant "someone who lived in the neighborhood and witnessed much."

Typing fast and not paying enough attention to my choice of words.

Peace,

Brian.
 
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