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The Secret to Busse Heat Treatment and Nitrogen Content Revealed ???

Discussion in 'Busse Combat Knives' started by mach 5, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. mach 5

    mach 5 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 13, 2012
    The Secret to Busse Heat Treatment and Nitrogen Revealed

    A little halloween season history, horror and humor..


    This interesting article from the New York Times explains the quest of Stanford metallurgists to recreate ancient high performance steel. It makes reference to several ancient heat treatments and quenching techniques that could, in theory, help explain the Busse performance advantage. This Halloween season, it got me wondering, why do they run a "closed shop" with no tours or videos? Bwahahaha (scary ghost laugh)

    Homicidal quenching:

    “Writings found in Asia Minor said that to temper a Damascus sword the blade must be heated until it glows ‘like the sun rising in the desert.’ It then should be cooled to the color of royal purple and plunged ‘into the body of a muscular slave’ so that his strength would be transferred to the sword.
    In the ancient accounts there is more than one reference to such homicidal quenching. In a recent interview, Dr. Nickel pointed out that while many of the quenching techniques were based on superstition, they may have contributed to the success of the process, as by adding nitrogen to the alloy.”

    (We all know early Infi had added Nitrogen content. Do not pass out at the blade or knob creek parties. Rumor has it “passing out” is otherwise know as “volunteering” among the Busse staff.)

    (captain obvious disclaimer here - there are better ways to add nitrogen- this is for history and humor, no violence please)

    Cooling by horse:

    “A less abrupt form of cooling, according to one account, was achieved when the blade, still red hot, was 'carried in a furious gallop by a horseman on a fast horse.’''

    (Garth likes horses right? This may be why the custom shop is 2yrs. behind; the horses get tired after 2 or 3 cooling cycles.)

    Hog Urine:

    “Some medieval smiths recommended quenching in the urine from a 'three-year-old goat fed only ferns for three days.’''

    (Jerry may have modified this practice to incorporate “hog urine” fed only scotch for 3 days, and it is possibly why he encourages heavy drinking among the staff. A constant supply of quenching medium is needed.)
  2. Still Voracious

    Still Voracious INFIDEL

    Sep 7, 2016
    Interesting. Verrrrrrrry interesting!
  3. Blain


    May 7, 2004
    Busse no longer has nitrogen in their steel though...
  4. Cobalt

    Cobalt Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 1998
    Well, not exactly known. The std testing method does not detect low atomic numbers like nitrogen and carbon. So it may still be there we just do not detect it.
  5. Same Old Shane

    Same Old Shane

    Sep 9, 2016

    All the real steel guys know the secret to Mr. Busse''s HT.


    It's the gnomes. Yup, shop gnomes. Well, actually technically, it's the Pixies. To tell the truth, it is more of a collective bargaining agreement between several tribes with a fire drake, and an ice wyrm. It was originally negotiatedesigned by three trolls and a goat during a full moon party, while Mars answer Venus were in their "CUSPS".

    HA! Drinking pun! Woooohooo!

    The secret is out!

    Same Old Shane
  6. zombieassassin

    zombieassassin Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2015
    Wait wait wait.....Cobalt.....steels have STDs? INFI surely must be STD free. LMAO
  7. JayGoliath


    Mar 27, 2010
    This method still exists in Nepal. The salt from the urine helped with the rapid cooling of the blade i.e khukuris, just like brine.
  8. Cobalt

    Cobalt Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 1998
    lol.....INFI has std for sure
  9. MacLaren1

    MacLaren1 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 15, 2014
    Whatever Busse doe they're doing it right. I just wish we had a little more access to classics like the Tank Buster and NMFBM:)
    However, I'm certainly not complaining. Especially so with OP2Weeks. Its afforded me some great opportunities to score some mighty fine blades. + + Ive been asked by Garth if I wanted a shot at a HellRazor, but at the time couldn't afford it. So certainly not complaining. More just dreaming lol.

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