Have all, Do what you wish and enjoy. I hope you make lots of money
Don’t take your ball and go home so easily! It’s not about making lots of money to most of the collectors. The comment you made about them “being worth retail at best” in the future was the point of argument.
As for the people in the game just to flip knives, sure, those TC barlows may not be worth the $350+ in the future that I’ve seen some sell for recently, but they’re only going to get more rare as time goes on. That’s a fact, the rest is speculation.
I'm not saying whether this is terrible, I just found it funny....d then on their site they were listed for $116.95 when they dropped. There was about three hours between the e-mail in the drop. Just found it interesting that the price went up during that time.
The easy way to deal with flippers is to not buy what they're selling. There will always be another cool GEC.
The shop that I ordered my last one from in Ohio has a page of knives up still.
I’ve noticed the same thing. There are a bunch listed on the bay and the prices are coming down. Maybe there is hope!Agreed.
I'm already noting that the craze is abating. A banned flipper here has been sitting on an Autumn Bone listed for 375 - no takers. The few that have been listed on the Exchange here in the last couple of days have either sat or been sitting for a bit too - one guy even had to lower his price. This tells me that folks have either had enough or the realization that these aren't worth the price that they are being peddled at is starting to sink in.
I may slow down on my collection a bit due to increased pricing. I think that's why their doing it. Leaves more available for others' that are having a hard time acquiring one. Slows down the flippers a bit. I'm ok with that. I would like to see GEC up their price to the dealers so they can profit a bit more, the dealer can profit a bit more, and we can still feed our addiction. A win for everyone. I know, who wants to pay more? No one really. But if GEC were to struggle, quality could suffer, then of course the dealer could suffer, then, well, no fun for us. Make sense?
Obviously I'm not as well versed in business mumbo jumbo as you. I'll admit it. Just expressing an opinion. I would rather get want I want as cheap as possible, but I may be willing to ride out the storm to see that GEC survives in the future. I'm not at all saying that they are in any kind of trouble of course. If they are profitable, going to stick around, and quality doesn't suffer, awesome. Moving onto to flippers, I guess it's a free market, annoying yes, maybe those buying the over priced knives should just stop. Probably not going to happen though, but who knows. The supply and demand thing is over my head. As far as dealers (gouging)? Maybe GEC needs to set some limits on them as far as pricing. You become a dealer by choice, different than a free market in my eyes. It should be a privilege to be a dealer and rules should be set and followed. If not, pull the dealership status from them and work with someone that is willing to work with you. I said in another thread why I'm drawn to GEC. American made, you can stop in and nose around, I love the old patterns and materials used, and the fact they run low production numbers is a plus in my opinion. Not certain, never asked Mr. Howard myself, but someone I talked to said he loves what he is doing. Keep doing it. If they cut back to say 4 to 6 variations annually and drive production numbers up, they may lose some customer base. Profit may go up as they still sell what they produce. More people may get buy their knives. But ultimately, is that what Mr. Howard wants to do? I'm guessing he loves to look at and fondle his knives as much as many of us do. If I want a knife that 10,000 of the same pattern, material, color, so on, were made, Case makes a "decent" knife at a cheaper price. I have quite a few. Carrying one as I speak. Again, I'm a newbie on here, not trying to stir anything. Just an opinion from someone that at least appreciates traditional knives. I hope things settle down, whatever that might mean. We'll see.So a factory pricing strategy solely reliant on the market conditions at the time of production.... Knife A was $75 three years ago when last produced. Today the only difference is more demand so it will be $120. In two years when things have calmed down a bit, it should be $85. That seems a bit problematic.
If the flipper price is $250; how much will it slow the flippers that the factory increased their price 60% and now the flipper margin is 200% instead of 300% ? Or does it just hurt those that still could have bought it for $75 ?
Most dealers have drastically increased their prices. Do you feel it has alleviated the market conditions significantly, for the better, over the last few months?
Maybe I am not seeing the same results from market actions that others seem to be seeing. It appears to me that dealers have become flippers and are making windfall profits while closing the door to their customers that could have picked up the knife for $75. Watching eBay activity it seems a very large percentage of flipping is now done by dealers. So are the ethics of the dealers superior to the prior flippers that were able to score one or two knives as opposed to a dozen+ from the dealer?
GEC's plan is to decrease the number of variants and increase production of the existing variants. Hopefully enough to stock dealer shelves for a couple months. This will lower factory overhead, thus increasing their profit. It will also eliminate the ability to sell a knife on eBay for $200 that is currently on dealer shelves for $75. Then everyone can go back to buying from the dealers that jumped at the opportunity to fleece their customers.
So a factory pricing strategy solely reliant on the market conditions at the time of production.... Knife A was $75 three years ago when last produced. Today the only difference is more demand so it will be $120. In two years when things have calmed down a bit, it should be $85. That seems a bit problematic.
If the flipper price is $250; how much will it slow the flippers that the factory increased their price 60% and now the flipper margin is 200% instead of 300% ? Or does it just hurt those that still could have bought it for $75 ?
Most dealers have drastically increased their prices. Do you feel it has alleviated the market conditions significantly, for the better, over the last few months?
Maybe I am not seeing the same results from market actions that others seem to be seeing. It appears to me that dealers have become flippers and are making windfall profits while closing the door to their customers that could have picked up the knife for $75. Watching eBay activity it seems a very large percentage of flipping is now done by dealers. So are the ethics of the dealers superior to the prior flippers that were able to score one or two knives as opposed to a dozen+ from the dealer?
GEC's plan is to decrease the number of variants and increase production of the existing variants. Hopefully enough to stock dealer shelves for a couple months. This will lower factory overhead, thus increasing their profit. It will also eliminate the ability to sell a knife on eBay for $200 that is currently on dealer shelves for $75. Then everyone can go back to buying from the dealers that jumped at the opportunity to fleece their customers.
unbelievable, even at an upcharge, the drop was undoable. Probably time to stop bothering with GEC knives for awhile.
In my opinion, it's a good time to take a break. I am eager to see what else GEC has in the pipeline but for now, I am content with riding these current releases out and allowing myself the opportunity to pursue other cutlery related interests. Not easier on the wallet, mind you, but it adds some variety and broadens the experience.
Obviously I'm not as well versed in business mumbo jumbo as you. I'll admit it. Just expressing an opinion.
Mike, from your perspective, is it problematic for a factory to set limits or institute rules on its dealer network? Admittedly, I am not well versed in MAP pricing and I know you have explained GEC's version of it but it still seems to leave things fairly open ended for dealers. If everything is "suggested" and nothing concrete, then dealers can pick up the ball and run with it how they see fit.