Dear Dadoa; You want to piddle about tbe differencs between milita at the timne of the Revolutionary war and the Army, go ahead. The 'army' was comprised of newly conscripted civilians,without any or much training. I stand by what I wrote. You can revise yours at will, of course. You said guns for self defense fine, but that myself and my 'friends' against an occupying army- Good luck. You also listed the pathetic French resistance as an example of the hopelessnes of such a task. Now you want to change the direction of your posts. In response to Afganistan your answer is the Russians were inadequate- this suggests had they only had better equipment or men they would have been 'adequate". It has been pointed out several times by myself and other posters the job of a militia or civilian pop is not neccesarily to 'win', but to make it so costly as to force a capitulation, as in Afganistan, or not invade in the first place. Andreas was right and this discussion is over for me.