What knife would you carry if fighting in Ukraine?

Smithingmadmaxbiscuits said:
The Bible ~ Sharper than any two-edged Sword ~ and this would be sent to both sides Russia and Ukraine, Brothers and Sisters "Neighbors and Kinfolks divided against one another" and forced into fighting against one another ~ So maybe then they'll all see the light, that it isn't each of them, who are their adversary, but he who is in power over them ~ 🕯️
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Amen, brother.
 
"The Bible ~ Sharper than any two-edged Sword ~ and this would be sent to both sides Russia and Ukraine, Brothers and Sisters "Neighbors and Kinfolks divided against one another" and forced into fighting against one another ~ So maybe then they'll all see the light, that it isn't each of them, who are their adversary, but he who is in power over them ~ 🕯️"

Just an observation...
More people have been killed in the name of God: than for any other reason...
 
Bob Denman said:
"The Bible ~ Sharper than any two-edged Sword ~ and this would be sent to both sides Russia and Ukraine, Brothers and Sisters "Neighbors and Kinfolks divided against one another" and forced into fighting against one another ~ So maybe then they'll all see the light, that it isn't each of them, who are their adversary, but he who is in power over them ~ 🕯️"

Just an observation...
More people have been killed in the name of God: than for any other reason...
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There is a thread in the PA for religious discussion.
 
GatorFlash1 said:
I have sent a lot of used military uniforms and gear over to the Ukrainian forces and was wondering what the best knife or type of military knife for them might be. With the drone attacks, the increase in Russian troops, and the winter coming the Ukrainian forces better be prepared.

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Based on your post I want to make some assumptions before I answer - if you let me know if/where I’m off base it might help you get better information from future responses.

Here are my assumptions:
You’re looking to send knives (multiple) to combat soldiers in Ukraine. Therefore I’ll skip what I would personally carry and instead answer with what I’d send - the stuff I’d carry isn’t available now.
I’m also going to assume that since you’re currently sending used uniforms you probably aren’t super rich, so I’ll focus on budget.

Anyway - if I was sending care packages to Ukraine and wanted to include useful, inexpensive, and potentially combative knifes for soldiers - I’d send a bunch of these:

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The Cold Steel Mini Leatherneck would also be a good option for $5 more per knife.

(Although, since I’ve involuntarily contributed a substantial chunk of my tax dollars to this fight already I don’t feel super inclined to send more resources that way at the moment).
 
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GatorFlash1 said:
I have sent a lot of used military uniforms and gear over to the Ukrainian forces and was wondering what the best knife or type of military knife for them might be. With the drone attacks, the increase in Russian troops, and the winter coming the Ukrainian forces better be prepared.

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Lesknife said:
As a regular troop probably a Leatherman Wave. It’s very utilitarian. And I’d probably have a Buck 119 for heavier cutting chores and a just in case I need it.

I have visited with several men who were in the war zones including my dad and uncle’s. Most of these men were infantry, artillery or regular grunts. None of them had any hand to hand fights, their fighting was always a firearm, grenades or artillery at a distance. They mostly had folding pocket knives or a paring knife .
I’m sure there are others who did have hand to hand fights like the tunnel rats in Vietnam. I guess I did know one guy I worked with that was a tunnel rat but he didn’t talk about it. One other that drove a truck for my brother was a special ops also in Vietnam. He didn’t talk much about it either. These guys were specially trained and not of the regular troops. In this case they had many combat resources they were trained for besides a knife.
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I would carry sbr Recon Bowie for hand to hand combat. They were made 2000 and they are made just like the one my buddy carried in Vietnam.
 
Dolly said:
I would carry sbr Recon Bowie for hand to hand combat. They were made 2000 and they are made just like the one my buddy carried in Vietnam.
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Strange inquiry Knife fighting in battles is less and less frequent as they will retreat if they run out of ammo, if both sides run out of ammo they both retreat. It would almost be comical if they yelled out ( we have no ammo let's knife it out)
Are they lying? Anyway my choice would definitely be a fixed blade, leaving nothing to chance with moving parts and locking mechanism --- uhhhh.. I don't know, extrema ratio Fulcrum full sized combat knife, or maybe the Operativo
 
If I’m a foot soldier, humping my own gear, in mostly urban Ukrainian environs, I’m carrying a LM Wave+ ,in its belt sheath along with a LM Piranha too. This is my go to for all non- fighting uses. If it fits their water spigots, I’m also carrying a 4-way silcock wrench. If wire/ fence cutting is a common need, add an 8” Knipex bolt cutter, in a homemade holster / sheath for weather/ corrosion resistance. If breaching is part of my duties , the Ne Plus Ultra, one handed beaching tool tool is the Ontario SPAX-16 . ( crash axe, tomahawk, pick end, gas-water-cock wrench, fire hydrant opener, pry-bar “pick” end will also act as a fulcrum and help lift manhole covers, makeshift shovel and fire skillet top. Heavy @ two pounds , but worth it. Standard equipment on Marine 1.

The next recommendation is the toughest. A sheath knife is needed to: dig mines ,etc. , cut things too tough for the LM blades and kill if necesssary. I’m partial to the Gerber LMF II, in this roll. It also adds insulted handle to cut live wires up to 220v, according to reports, sheath with built-in sharpener, canopy cutter, & hammer pummel. BUT its 4.8” blade is too short to reliably reach a the kidney when stabbed thru a Russian winter wool Russian winter Greatcoat. For that you need. 6” -7” blade. ( A lesson taught to us by Finnish Partisan fighters in WW II. So maybe instead of my LMF II, I go with my Randal Model 1-16 BP or any strong equivalent.
 
P.S. I’m probably also carrying 10’-15’ of Gorilla or “100mph” tape, flatolled, maybe a small rolll of electrical tape , 25’-50’ of 550 Cord, 6-8 HD zip-ties (as handcuffs or to tie gear onto a pack) , sewing kit, and a couple of feet of SS or Brass wire., to effect field repairs and additions
 
Everyone talks about urban fighting in the Ukraine but from the news photos I'm seeing a lot of the combat takes place in open farm and forest areas. I'll say it again, I would want a good entrenching tool to get below ground level. Ever been exposed with a belt fed machine gun firing grazing fire a few inches off the ground? Its not fun. Knife wise I still want a light but reasonable size belt knife. Add a leatherman etc tool kit folder and I would be ready for about anything an infantryman confronts.
 
Sidehill: Point taken as to the good uses of a solid , lightweight , entrenching tool, IF you are advancing / retreating , on foot , thru open spaces. That is not what I’m seeing in press reports and soldier interviews from Ukraine. It seems to be village to village, farm to farm, and in some cases, street to street fighting. That means plenty of wood & wire fences, wood dooors, small padlocks and light door chains to be breached. Troop movements appear to be largely by car, small trucks and some armored vehicles. The “ forest” positions I most observe are well fortified deep trenches , log reinforced walls and similar bunkers or stone houses. I have not noticed any of the Ukrainian fighters , regular or militia, carrying entrenching tools or fighting from WWII type foxholes. That it not to say it doesn’t happen. But it does not appear to be the common situation.

Perhaps I should not have used the word “urban” to describe the fighting. The U S Military has a better defintion that describes most fighting in Ukraine, “FIBA”, i.e. Fighting In Built-up Areas.
 
Drop bear said:
I can't think of the downsides to a mora combat knife.

They are light, stainless and quick to access.

I am not sure what a high end knife does especially better.
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I mean, they absolutely would make an adequate knife. I have zero argument there; they're cheap, sharp, not all are stainless but that is also an option, and true they are quite lightweight. There is a good reason I own probably a dozen of them kept in the glovebox of each of my vehicles, my junk drawer, my fishing tackle bag, bug out bag, etc. If I was mass purchasing for others they would certainly be atop of my list.

If I was choosing my own carry though, for combat, their rat tail tang in a composite handle design would give me concerns about it's durability under extreme use, and while lightweight they are also kind of bulky, plus their sheath retention can sometimes be questionable, especially under the possible added duress from maneuvers they may see from a light infantry perspective, so I would personally prefer something in an equally tough steel but full tang, with a slimmer profile, and with a more secure sheath retention for peace of mind.

Does that make it a poor choice? Not at all! But there are potentially better choices that can in fact do some things better. Precisely why my personal choice, if I were to go back in time to my days in the infantry, would be an esee3 with molle sheath. Roughly the same size, Equally tough steel, equally sharp, full tang construction, a full 1/4" thinner, with a flatter profile, and better mounting options to vest or gear, with the added retention strap around the handle to help keep it secure from accidental loss like dislodging itself during maneuvers... From my own personal former infantry perspective, already rocking a fully combat ready packout in full battle rattle; plates, ammo, first aid kit, etc. that added 3oz., roughly equal to the weight of 7 more rounds of ammo, would hardly be the breaking point of how much one could carry at that point, but the small added benefits, IMO, would be well worth it over a bulky round plastic sheathed Mora with partial tang construction.... But I would absolutely and unquestionably take a Mora over nothing, 100%. I would absolutely give a Mora to someone who had nothing. Shoot, I might even throw the extra 2.5 oz. of the Mora into the bottom of my ruck as a backup option...
 
Reserving some of the relevant issues for the political forum, war is hell. Some of the comments about modern warfare hit the nail on the head. With a little web savvy, anyone who really wants to know can find uncut phone footage of some of the things going on over there. Pro-tip: don't go down that rabbit hole. The only time I saw a knife being used, it involved a captive audience of enemy combatants and you definitely don't want to see that.

In the meantime, people really wanting to contribute gear to a particular side should consider basic utility tasks. The advice about things that don't look too fancy or valuable is good.
 
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