What's the fascination with batonning?

Let me preface this question by saying that I've owned knives for more than 55 years. (Yes, I'm an old guy.) I've owned everything from small Spyderco's to 24" machetes. It never occurred to me in all those years to hammer any of my knife blades through a log, branch, etc. until I recently started to read knife forums. If I need a make a fire I shave some wood from a branch to make some tinder and then look around for small and medium size branches to use as is or break into pieces. When the fire gets large enough I lay a large branch across the fire and let the fire burn it in two and then burn each half. If I get the urge to chop something, I get out a small hatchet or axe and have at it.

I'm willing to admit that I might be missing something here. I understand that using a large knife to chop some branches might save the weight of carrying a small hatchet. But what is the fascination with batonning a large log or branch? Lots of posts on lots of forums and lots of videos on the net about batonning.

So, here is your chance to educate the old guy. Please enlighten me.

I COMPLETELY agree. I've made thousands of fires all over the world, including in the rainforest during the monsoon, and I've never needed to whack my knife with a stick to get down to dry wood.

I think there's an entire generation of people who's primary, if not only outdoor education comes from YouTube, and batoning is one of the things you can do on a video that doesn't require any real skill.

I'm not apposed to batoning if it's done right. I'm not opposed to prying the tops off beer bottles with my knife blade either, providing it's done right. But it aint the right tool for the job.
 
I think allot of folks are missing the point of batoning and what it's used for. I was taught that batoning is a skill that can be used when you are in a situation that you don't have an axe, a saw, etc. It's a one knife solution is an extreme situation. Check out IAwoodsman's videos on this forum. Terry teaches this method and is the real deal instructor. It's a technique or a tool in your skill tool box. But yes it's over emphasized on the net allot!
 
It's not batoning itself that i think is a fad, it's the over exaggerated importance that some seem to put on it in this forum...

Well, let's be fair. Once you've identified a legitimate, albeit infrequently encountered, use for an outdoors knife, which I believe the responses to this thread have arguably established, it's fairly natural for people to begin to wonder whether their particular blade is up to the task. These larger, heavier blades tend to embody a lot of compromise in functionality to begin with. They don't chop as well as an axe, or slice as well as a razor, or dig as well as a shovel, or pry as well as a bar, etc., etc., etc. But, they have some ability to do all of these things. I view batonning as simply another in this list. Couple that with the rumors of catastrophic failures of some relatively expensive knives while performing this task and I can more easily understand the interest.
 
I'm not apposed to batoning if it's done right. I'm not opposed to prying the tops off beer bottles with my knife blade either, providing it's done right. But it aint the right tool for the job.
I love axes and enjoy using them immensely but IME batoning to split the wood is easier, less dangerous, uses less energy and is faster. And the knife I use is designed with this use in mind. So saying it's the wrong tool for the job is a silly statement. Nobody ever says that a froe is the wrong tool for the job but that is basically what some modern knives are. A froe with a handle.

To the OP: I can make fuzz sticks too and if I don't have a splitter knife that's what I do. Being a California resident I'm not sure how much experience you have with wet environments. Around here in the summer I don't need a knife of any kind to start a fire but the rest of the year it's wet, hella wet, and being able to split wood is a good way to get to the dry stuff. To me batoning is just another skill in my mental toolbox. Maybe give it a try and see how it works out for you. Maybe you'll be a convert. ;)
 
Splitting wood with a knife has been around a lot longer than anyone of us on this forum have been alive or anyone on the planet for that manner so it's definitively not new.
 
I COMPLETELY agree. I've made thousands of fires all over the world, including in the rainforest during the monsoon, and I've never needed to whack my knife with a stick to get down to dry wood.

I think there's an entire generation of people who's primary, if not only outdoor education comes from YouTube, and batoning is one of the things you can do on a video that doesn't require any real skill.

I'm not apposed to batoning if it's done right. I'm not opposed to prying the tops off beer bottles with my knife blade either, providing it's done right. But it aint the right tool for the job.

I also disagree with the notion that a knife is not the right tool for the job. In the situations you encounter in the woods (gnarly wood, soft ground, no chopping blocks) a knife is often the ideal tool for splitting. Really, you are using the knife as a froe, which is an ancient tool. It goes way farther back than YouTube. It is not some kind of exceptional abuse for a well made outdoors knife.

When you made your fires in the monsoon, how did you get down to dry wood? If you didn't split it, I guess you had to shave off the outer layer of wet wood? That works, and normally I make a featherstick for kindling. But splitting is faster for kindling and small fuel; I like to grab a few larger branches and cross cut them to length, then split them into quarters or eighths. You can very quickly get a big pile of kindling that's guaranteed to burn well.

Sometimes its hard to find ideal kindling like dead branches on trees, and you have to make do with wet wood on the ground. You want to be able to split this wood. I also like to take a downed tree or large limb found near camp and use that for all my firewood, from kindling to large fuel. With a decent knife and folding saw this is easily done. Sometimes that's more efficient than walking all around the woods looking for firewood.

My philosophy for firemaking is to expend the least effort and get the maximum return. Splitting wood with my knife often achieves those ends.
 
i've never batonned wood; i've always had a bigger tool available when it was necessary to break down some wood for fire...sure i'd do it if all i had available was a smaller knife but i've never been in a "survival" situation, and i'm not into role playing Jeremiah Johnson any time soon...

i never do (or buy) things because it's cool; i don't have the time, interest or patience to do so...but, hey that's just me and only me...
 
Hey all,

This is my first post so forgive me if I can't get this right.
I have been blessed by the information and knowledge from meny of the members here for some time and finnaly decided to join in.

As for Batoning, I was once a junky and have been clean now for a few year. I was driven by the desire to find the "perfect" Bush tool. After many hundreds of dollar spent I learnd that if you have a knife that can do it all, you have a kife that does a poor job of most tasks when compared to the intended tool for the job. I love my big knives but they stay home and impress the kids more than they actually work anymore. I am a minimalist backpacker that does not stay on the beaten path. Weight is important to me. However, so is the amount of energy it takes to perform a needed task. For winter i carry a 4 inch Scandi belt knife, that will Baton if needed, a 36 inch saw blade for making a bow saw in the feild, and a light Hawk/belt Axe. For summer I repace the belt axe for BHK Machete. This works for me but here is the real bottom line. Do we not all go to the out doors to enjoy ourselves. If that is true then if Batoning until your arm falls off is what you enjoy, have at it and get out in God's country. My way isn't always the best way, but it works!

God bless
 
Storm crier, congrats on being clean for a year. Keep at it! Your setup is very traditional and functional.
 
Some ignorant members on this forum believe it's the true measure of a knife. It's not. It's a last ditch survival necessity. Many knives are capable, not are meant to be batoned. The strength of a knife is so much more than it's ability to baton.
 
When you made your fires in the monsoon, how did you get down to dry wood? If you didn't split it, I guess you had to shave off the outer layer of wet wood? That works, and normally I make a featherstick for kindling. But splitting is faster for kindling and small fuel; I like to grab a few larger branches and cross cut them to length, then split them into quarters or eighths. You can very quickly get a big pile of kindling that's guaranteed to burn well.
A point can also be made that batoning extends the life of your edge. When batoning, the edge only contacts the wood at the start of the split. After the initial split the wood is only contacting the knife at the "shoulders" of whatever grind you have. On a ffg that would be the spine. As a lark I started a split in a piece of kindling with the edge on my izula and then pulled the knife out and reversed it putting the spine in first. The kindling split the same as it did with edge facing the other way. If when splitting a piece of wood try stopping halfway and look at the edge. On a knife thick enough you'll see the edge just hanging out in mid air.

Hey all,

This is my first post so forgive me if I can't get this right.
I have been blessed by the information and knowledge from meny of the members here for some time and finnaly decided to join in.

As for Batoning, I was once a junky and have been clean now for a few year. I was driven by the desire to find the "perfect" Bush tool. After many hundreds of dollar spent I learnd that if you have a knife that can do it all, you have a kife that does a poor job of most tasks when compared to the intended tool for the job. I love my big knives but they stay home and impress the kids more than they actually work anymore. I am a minimalist backpacker that does not stay on the beaten path. Weight is important to me. However, so is the amount of energy it takes to perform a needed task. For winter i carry a 4 inch Scandi belt knife, that will Baton if needed, a 36 inch saw blade for making a bow saw in the feild, and a light Hawk/belt Axe. For summer I repace the belt axe for BHK Machete. This works for me but here is the real bottom line. Do we not all go to the out doors to enjoy ourselves. If that is true then if Batoning until your arm falls off is what you enjoy, have at it and get out in God's country. My way isn't always the best way, but it works!

God bless

Yep. I carry a hawk a lot but still find batoning easier for what I do. Use what works or what you enjoy. I go out to the woods with different setups because it's fun to try different things. I know that I can get all my needs met with a pruning saw but what fun is that? :D
 
Some ignorant members on this forum believe it's the true measure of a knife. It's not. It's a last ditch survival necessity. Many knives are capable, not are meant to be batoned. The strength of a knife is so much more than it's ability to baton.

Says the poster boy for Scrapyard. LOL. You really think Scrapyard doesn't see that one of the main uses for their knives is to baton? And with that knowledge didn't design their knives to do it?
 
I always figured that battoning was for processing a dead tree that you cut down or that has fallen. maybe I'm just not good with a hatchet, but mine always seem to get stuck when trying to split the logs. so like others were saying that it may be cold, or maybe I'm picturing aspen trunks. I'm just saying that battoning is a way to use a tool at hand, and I figure if you wake up in the middle of the night and all you could grab were your clothes, Im figuring that your knife may be close at hand. Then I suppose that were at a survival knife scenario. Hmm, maybe I need another knife...
 
I also disagree with the notion that a knife is not the right tool for the job. In the situations you encounter in the woods (gnarly wood, soft ground, no chopping blocks) a knife is often the ideal tool for splitting. Really, you are using the knife as a froe, which is an ancient tool. It goes way farther back than YouTube. It is not some kind of exceptional abuse for a well made outdoors knife.

When you made your fires in the monsoon, how did you get down to dry wood? If you didn't split it, I guess you had to shave off the outer layer of wet wood? That works, and normally I make a featherstick for kindling. But splitting is faster for kindling and small fuel; I like to grab a few larger branches and cross cut them to length, then split them into quarters or eighths. You can very quickly get a big pile of kindling that's guaranteed to burn well.

Sometimes its hard to find ideal kindling like dead branches on trees, and you have to make do with wet wood on the ground. You want to be able to split this wood. I also like to take a downed tree or large limb found near camp and use that for all my firewood, from kindling to large fuel. With a decent knife and folding saw this is easily done. Sometimes that's more efficient than walking all around the woods looking for firewood.

My philosophy for firemaking is to expend the least effort and get the maximum return. Splitting wood with my knife often achieves those ends.

This. All this. I think a lot of people want very, very trustworthy tools that will fit multiple environments, and a knife, especially IMO a chopper, ranges a lot of uses and also a lot of environments. I'm still buying an axe here soon, because yes, if you have a choice, it does make more sense to bring the tool best made for the job. I think a lot of people get worked up on the idea that they would be able to do everything with this one knife, and they try to pick which knife they'd most likely have on them and become very familiar with it. If they think a beast of a knife would be more qualified than say, a SAK or a machete, then that will be their "go to" knife. Personally, I always wonder what I'd do if I broke the haft on an axe or broke the thin blade of a machete trying to do axe work because that's the only tool I had. I couldn't do anything about the machete, and the axe handle would be slipshod at best and probably dangerous. I know knives, I'm comfortable with knives, and I know a knife that can take on all these tasks including splitting wood will serve me longer, better, and in more ways than a larger tool more suited for the job.

Also, my friend insists he starts wet fires with no tinder, and that sounds a lot like this whole "rainforest in a monsoon" thing. No doubt it is possible, and not that difficult at times to start a wet fire in such peculiar ways. But using tinder, and getting to the dry wood inside a log, is so much faster in most cases that it's just pure stubbornness to not use that method.
 
Hey all,

This is my first post so forgive me if I can't get this right.
I have been blessed by the information and knowledge from meny of the members here for some time and finnaly decided to join in.

...
God bless

Great first post, Storm Crier.
 
I usually baton wood when I'm doing back-country camping or backpacking and really don't feel like adding an axe to the already substantial amount of weight I'm carrying. In those cases, I'll have a multi-tool, small edc knife (Delica, etc.) and a medium/large fixed-blade. To me, it's just about saving weight - if I'm car-camping or splitting wood at home, it's an axe every time.
 
Let me preface this question by saying that I've owned knives for more than 55 years. (Yes, I'm an old guy.) I've owned everything from small Spyderco's to 24" machetes. It never occurred to me in all those years to hammer any of my knife blades through a log, branch, etc. until I recently started to read knife forums. If I need a make a fire I shave some wood from a branch to make some tinder and then look around for small and medium size branches to use as is or break into pieces. When the fire gets large enough I lay a large branch across the fire and let the fire burn it in two and then burn each half. If I get the urge to chop something, I get out a small hatchet or axe and have at it.

I'm willing to admit that I might be missing something here. I understand that using a large knife to chop some branches might save the weight of carrying a small hatchet. But what is the fascination with batonning a large log or branch? Lots of posts on lots of forums and lots of videos on the net about batonning.

So, here is your chance to educate the old guy. Please enlighten me.

Ditto
 
I baton simply because it is fun. Most of the time I don't need to do it, but I do it for the enjoyment I get out of it. I haven't had a time where I felt I needed a better tool for the job. Sure, it may have been easier with an axe, but using a large knife is just more fun. :)
 
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