Wilkinson No Plug- Dress Sword?

Discussion in 'Sword Discussion' started by Norwood, Jan 10, 2020.

  1. Norwood

    Norwood

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    Jan 19, 2019
    There are no #'s, there is the Wilkinson trademark near the hilt and on the other side there is Wilson late Bodley&Etty London. With some research I found that Wilson obtained the outfitter in 1857 so the sword doesn't pre-date that. I read that Wilkinson proof plugged all their swords but a collector told me this could be a dress sword, not plugged as it was for show. Length of blade 32 1/2", weight 1lbs. 9.2oz., blade width where it meets the hilt is 25mm, just shy of 1". The scabbard can be pulled apart at the taped sections when the sword is unsheathed. The question 'is this really a Wilkinson?' seems to me to be the best and hardest to answer, but I am not knowledgeable in this area. Here are some links:
    https://imgur.com/NaaV5Tr
    https://imgur.com/hBrnHw2
    https://imgur.com/prrhKiQ
    https://imgur.com/W9qMtUa
    https://imgur.com/XLGDGAy
    https://imgur.com/Je3mVcJ
    https://imgur.com/yyeHFhE
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2020
  2. Norwood

    Norwood

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    Jan 19, 2019
    I picked this up awhile back, it was pricey, I think about $500. There were some other things with the sword that I bought too. Any ideas on the value are appreciated as well. Thank you for any comments.
     
  3. horseclover

    horseclover Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 21, 2000
  4. Norwood

    Norwood

    24
    Jan 19, 2019
    Thanks. I tried to join the SFI and the system won't work. The attachment to Wilkinson outfitters comes up as a corrupt file when I click on it. I did read the part about Wilkinson swords around c. 1910 having an etched trademark and no plug- like mine. It seems to me that it would be best if I could find info about Wilson who acquired Bodley&Etty outfitters in 1857. The sword looks earlier than 1910 and I think I read that Wilson let go Bodley&Etty in the 19thc. well before 1910 but I could be wrong. Were you able to download the file that held the info about Wilkinson outfitters and their marks? Thanks for the helpful comment.
     
  5. horseclover

    horseclover Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    You can try to ping SFI administration
    message @ https://www.facebook.com/SwordForum

    My attempts to email the administrator (Mark McMorrow) have gone unanswered in direct email but I have had some responses on facebook.
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    [email protected]

    I am not sure what file you refer to. Wilkinson and these patterns really are out of my wheelhouse. I can only apologize for the SFI system, which I can't control.

    The date info I had to offer came from www.oldswords.com

    You could also try other facebook groups (I do not have a list of antique sword fb groups) and also
    http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=12

    Cheers
    GC
     
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  6. horseclover

    horseclover Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    I have posted your thoughts and images over at SFI, so we might see some responses there.

    Cheers
    GC
     
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  7. Norwood

    Norwood

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    Jan 19, 2019
    Thank you horseclover, this is a great forum! I emailed dognose, admin at 925-1000, a silver hallmark site, he has some interest in military accoutrement retailers and posts old advertising.
     
  8. Norwood

    Norwood

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    Jan 19, 2019
    The post at SFI got some very interesting replies. According to that information, this could be made by 'the other Wilkinson at 30 Cockspur St. London' who ceased production after a legal battle with the original Wilkinson during the 1850's. The link shows one of the 'other Wilkinson' sword hilts. Very interesting, hopefully I can find some more information. Seems to be on the right path. Thanks again horseclover!
    https://imgur.com/ieLjZcC
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2020
  9. horseclover

    horseclover Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    You are welcome. I tried to reach out to the administrator there and his reply was the real name requirements and his dismissing applications. If interested, message him via Facebook to work out membership issues. https://www.facebook.com/SwordForum it may be just me but he isn't replying to his [email protected] email. Probably blocking gmail and others.

    Good luck
    GC
     
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