ZT 0562 Mildly Disappointed

They print that on all the boxes, but not all ZT knives fit that description. For example, the 0770 is fairly dainty, and weighs less than any 3.5" knife I own.

It is clear that ZT is moving upscale and towards more "gentleman folders" in many of their new offerings. I thought they would have employed more of the weight saving features that are found in the 0560, at least the skeletized liners.

The 0562 is not a tank, but it could better if it went on a diet

I can assure you Zero Tolerance's business model is to cater to the "over-built, tank-like, beast" knives. The 0770 is really the only light knife they offer. That's like saying BMW doesn't make performance vehicles because they have one hybrid. I wouldn't say they're moving towards "more gentlemanly folder" again the 0770 is the only knife that matches that description. All of ZT's newest offerings are... over-built, tank-like, beastly knives. That's the way ZT was conceived and probably will never change. There is a reason KAI chose to create Zero Tolerance instead of just staying with Kershaw. If you want slicers, your Spydercos are fine.
 
Pffft, all these folks clamouring for lighter, smaller ZT's...
Meanwhile, I want them to produce something with a blade length of 5 inches. :)

Kershaw already makes small knives for the KAI lovers of tiny blades. ;)

+1,,,,,,,,
 
I can assure you Zero Tolerance's business model is to cater to the "over-built, tank-like, beast" knives. I wouldn't say they're moving towards "more gentlemanly folder" again All of ZT's newest offerings are... over-built, tank-like, beastly knives. That's the way ZT was conceived and probably will never change.

The $500 ZT 0454 doesn't seem so beastly at 4.1 ounces
 
My ZT 0560CF is a beautifully made knife that handles like a dream. I love it. It has extraordinary fit and finish. But it never gets any pocket time because the fat blade grind is so low performance. EDC's have a do a a lot of jobs, and for me that includes a lot of detail work. The 0560 is a poor knife for high-performance, detail cutting.

So when ZT said the 0562 was going to be a slicer, I was hopeful that maybe ZT would have an EDC that is not overly gaudy and is focused on high performance. Not to be. Just more meaningless marketing.

There is no reason why a heavy-duty EDC cannot also be a high-performance cutter.
 
The $500 ZT 0454 doesn't seem so beastly at 4.1 ounces

And with a 4 inch blade it doesn't seem so gentlemanly. It was also a very limited run.. hardly representative of their primary market. What I'm trying to get at is 4 ounces (in the case of the 0454) is the limit for 99% of ZT's folders. Most are north of 5. I'm only trying to tell you that Zero Tolerance will never be focused on lighter slicier knives. They may put out a few over the years for diversity in their line up but it will never be their focus. The 0562 falls in the core vein of their selection so to be disappointed that it's not like one of their more "off shoot" designs isnt justified in my opinion.
 
I'm only trying to tell you that Zero Tolerance will never be focused on lighter slicier knives. They may put out a few over the years for diversity in their line up but it will never be their focus.

Never say never.
 
I love the 0562. Favorite knife to date. So much so i just ordered a second one and i will get the m390 version as soon as i can find one.
 
i dont own a 0562, but i do own a FRN spyderco stretch, and i have to say its an amazing design. its a very underrated knife, and i hope spyderco releases more versions of it.
 
i dont own a 0562, but i do own a FRN spyderco stretch, and i have to say its an amazing design. its a very underrated knife, and i hope spyderco releases more versions of it.

Agreed, and I grab my FRN Stretch w/zdp-189 about 90% of the time. It is interesting that many people are adverse to using a 3.5" blade, but the Stretch makes it so easy to handle that smaller blades become wimpy. The handle is amazing in its shape and "grippy-ness". At the price, it cannot be beat.
 
It's never appealed to me aesthetically so I've never sought out to get one. But it does make sense that it works great as an edc since (I believe) this is the knife Sal designed as an ideal edc for himself.
 
I have the 0561 and never carry it due to the weight.

I have an 0561 and carry it frequently in my EDC rotation. It is heavier than most of my other knives, but when clipped in my pocket I never feel the weight. Also the handle is relatively slim so I don't have a problem with its size. The only thing I don't like about the 0561 is the blade thickness right behind the edge.

I bought a ZT 0200 and decided that it does cross the line to something too big for me to carry. I don't know that the weight is such a problem although it is pretty heavy, but the handle is fairly fat. Actually I haven't tried to carry it yet, maybe I should try before I pass judgement. People talk about reactions they get when they pull out bigger knives at work, I think the 0200 would be much more intimidating than my other knives.

I have noticed though that I just drop a knife into my pocket, the weight really is a big factor. Clipped in my pocket, it isn't a factor.
 
ZT's customer service is the only thing keeping me from turning completely away from them. None of their knives are really designed to be high performance. Good steels are only really good if the heat treat is just as good and if the blade thickness and grind matches the intended purpose. Caged bearings only stay interesting for so long. 3d machined titanium is the only they do that I can find unique and designed for actual high performance. The rest is basically marketing hype. So customer service and 3d machined handles. Personally, I'm tired of their tactics of introducing a knife 2 years before it's released and then only having a couple hundred available in order to increase the profit margins to ridiculous levels. When I could get one of their top tier mass production knives for about 200 bucks, they were far more interesting. That seems to be a thing of of the past.

I was looking forward so much to the 0180 but after some serious thinking about what they do with steels and how they grind them, they could have used 1095 and accomplished the same thing as the current steel they're using. I mean hell, they put out S110V at 58-59 hrc? WTH? Optimally hardened vanadis 4e is about 63 hrc and can be taken significantly higher and still retain toughness comparable to A2. That's an outstanding combination. I will bet they didn't take it above 59. They might as well have used cpm D2 or something much cheaper.

To me, it's about marketing hype for people who care more about bragging rights than real users who want the highest performance out of a production knife. I've learned that I need to look elsewhere, and I've found what I've been looking for in another company. I still take out my remaining ZT, the 0561, and play with it a little, but I usually end up asking myself why I still have it. It doesn't whittle, doesn't slice, the bearings get jammed up. It's built for "tough use" but I'm afraid to actually use it hard because I'm sure it'll break. The emperor wears no clothes.
 
Because zt makes over built, hard use knives, I don't really see the draw of the CF versions, with a satin finish. If I'm buying heavy duty folder I am buying it for hard work and want the stone washed Elmax version. I want carbon fiber and polished satin finishes on my more elegant knives.....like a Crk mnandy, Not a zt. I sold my 801cf for that reason. It is a knife built for hard use but too pretty to actually use.
 
I was looking forward so much to the 0180 but after some serious thinking about what they do with steels and how they grind them, they could have used 1095 and accomplished the same thing as the current steel they're using. I mean hell, they put out S110V at 58-59 hrc? WTH? Optimally hardened vanadis 4e is about 63 hrc and can be taken significantly higher and still retain toughness comparable to A2. That's an outstanding combination. I will bet they didn't take it above 59. They might as well have used cpm D2 or something much cheaper.

The upcoming ZT 0180 fixed blade and ZT 0102 tomahawk both use the Vanadis 4 Extra Superclean powdered tool steel with tungsten DLC non-reflective coating.

ZT 0180 is at 60-62 HRC and ZT 0102 is at 56-58 HRC.

Go to time mark 5:18 for ZT 0102 & 0180:
[video=youtube;WYzXqV78sVU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYzXqV78sVU[/video]
 
I have a nice collection of BM's. I started looking for something more heavy duty. I found ZT. I like both collections now. I understood there were differences generally speaking. I like the differences.
 
What exactly is "high performance cutting"?

It's the ability of a knife to pass through material with ease and not binding in it or tearing it. At least that's what I take it to mean. As for an example, try cutting through normal cardboard with a Spanto Hinderer XM-24 and then with a Spyderco Military. You will see that the Military was made for "high performance cutting" and the Hinderer was designed for maximum strength. Not that the Hinderer is bad, far from it, it's just designed with a different purpose.
 
ZT's customer service is the only thing keeping me from turning completely away from them. None of their knives are really designed to be high performance. Good steels are only really good if the heat treat is just as good and if the blade thickness and grind matches the intended purpose. Caged bearings only stay interesting for so long. 3d machined titanium is the only they do that I can find unique and designed for actual high performance. The rest is basically marketing hype. So customer service and 3d machined handles. Personally, I'm tired of their tactics of introducing a knife 2 years before it's released and then only having a couple hundred available in order to increase the profit margins to ridiculous levels. When I could get one of their top tier mass production knives for about 200 bucks, they were far more interesting. That seems to be a thing of of the past.

I was looking forward so much to the 0180 but after some serious thinking about what they do with steels and how they grind them, they could have used 1095 and accomplished the same thing as the current steel they're using. I mean hell, they put out S110V at 58-59 hrc? WTH? Optimally hardened vanadis 4e is about 63 hrc and can be taken significantly higher and still retain toughness comparable to A2. That's an outstanding combination. I will bet they didn't take it above 59. They might as well have used cpm D2 or something much cheaper.

To me, it's about marketing hype for people who care more about bragging rights than real users who want the highest performance out of a production knife. I've learned that I need to look elsewhere, and I've found what I've been looking for in another company. I still take out my remaining ZT, the 0561, and play with it a little, but I usually end up asking myself why I still have it. It doesn't whittle, doesn't slice, the bearings get jammed up. It's built for "tough use" but I'm afraid to actually use it hard because I'm sure it'll break. The emperor wears no clothes.

Your lack of knowledge on the subject is showing, and your critique while noted is not exactly accurate. The good thing is that you have been set free, you have never been forced to buy any of their products, ever, not even one time. You have a strong disdain for some strange reason and I can't really understand why. In the mean time, go and buy what you like and stay away from what you don't. I have yet to see you write so passionately about what you do like, makes me wonder if you are just biding your time to work your way over to the other manufacturers.

While I own a few ZT products, I certainly don't love them all. If I started spraying feces and vinegar about that, what would I be accomplishing exactly? We've been down this road before, let's not forget the lessons learned seeing as they are still very fresh. You need to do more reading and investigating and much less parroting and squawking only then will things really come together and you can gain some accurate understanding.
 
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