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Eric Glesser implied that it won't take the over strikes etc so it would be a waste to test another one.
So are they saying it's not hard use anymore? Or it's still a hard use knife but don't use it hard.
Eric Glesser implied that it won't take the over strikes etc so it would be a waste to test another one.
So are they saying it's not hard use anymore? Or it's still a hard use knife but don't use it hard.
Spyderco's Website said:A recipe for folding knife success: Start with hard-use rated lock. Add a blade made of exotic high carbon steel. Manufacture it in Golden, Colorado using precise tolerances then add a healthy dash of American innovation. These ingredients are the Manix2, a concoction of solo features when combined make one of the strongest knives from Spyderco to date.
The catch is that they never really called it a hard use knife. They used buzzwords in their description to make you think it was a hard use knife, but they never came out and actually labelled it as such. It's a marketing trick.
I added the bolding to point out the phrasing they're using to trick you. It may very well be one of the strongest knives they've made in whatever usage tests they perform on their designs. But they never label it as a hard use knife explicitly. That way, when (in a case like this) it fails a hard use test, they can call it abuse and provide no warranty service.
Rather "corporate" of them, like an insurance company finding loopholes that let them get away with not covering something that should be covered.
Josh, I gave up on this thread a long time ago. The saddest thing is that a majority of those who post here do not even own that knife...
Eric Glesser implied that it won't take the over strikes etc so it would be a waste to test another one.
So if indeed the spring is affected on the lock as I suspect by the over-strikes, then why not prove that is what is happening and let it go at that? Maybe it's something else, I don't know for certain. But, just to test a model and find it can't take one area of a test and not determine why it didn't accomplished very little IMO. If the design won't take having the handle struck hard under the lock then say so and why then move on, try to fix the problem or live with it.
Spyderco themselves would be the best source of what caused whatever it was but there doesn't seem to be anything forthcoming from them. Maybe that is why this thread has gone on for so long.
What we did get from Eric was that the knife would not take the over-strikes.
He also said he would not validate the test. I guess he feels beating the handle of a folder is an unreasonable test.
I have to admit that I'm disappointed with the direction this thread has taken.
The M2 failed. It's not Ankerson's "fault", neither is it a sign of any unfairness or anything. It simply highlights a design flaw that should be accepted, not overlooked, as Spyderco has done.
I'm not too pleased with Mr.Glesser's response to Ankerson; I found the comment on "obituaries" needlessly offensive, even if it were true. Disappointing from a company that has "shiny footprints" as its philosophy, and has a reputation for that kind of thing.
If the ball lock won't take the over-strikes just because of the fact that it's a spring loaded ball bearing and transmitting the sudden shock causes it to rebound and be damaged. Then it's just simply a characteristic of that lock and if you are wanting a folder you can beat the handle on in that manner, the model isn't going to work for you. ....
If that is what's happening then it's a characteristic of that design and maybe it can't ever be "fixed" to take that sort of handle impact. To those that do not use a folder so hard as to hit the handle in this manner, the test will mean nothing. The blade won't fold on you no matter how you stab and cut with the blade.
So if indeed the spring is affected on the lock as I suspect by the over-strikes, then why not prove that is what is happening and let it go at that? Maybe it's something else, I don't know for certain. But, just to test a model and find it can't take one area of a test and not determine why it didn't accomplished very little IMO. If the design won't take having the handle struck hard under the lock then say so and why then move on, try to fix the problem or live with it.
What we did get from Eric was that the knife would not take the over-strikes.
He also said he would not validate the test. I guess he feels beating the handle of a folder is an unreasonable test.
I guess that's all we'll get from them. What I'd like to know at this point is whether the overstrikes will just cause an inadvertent release or will it cause catastrophic failure of the lock?
I own the knife. I consider it hard use for my needs. I use it for heavy cutting, not prying or overstriking. It shares time with my SnG and I have no complaints about either one not be built strong.
No you didn't. You're still here. And for you, the only acceptable outcome would be if the M2 was unanimously declared the toughest folder on earth, with no flaws or imperfections whatsoever. Your mind is as open on this issue as Fort Knox on SundayJosh, I gave up on this thread a long time ago.
I do own it and it's not relevant. There may be many prospective buyers, people who own similar knives, or knives with a similar lock. There may even be a link to the Spyderco design philosophy (personally I think there is), and that affects a lot of people.The saddest thing is that a majority of those who post here do not even own that knife...
I feel much the same way about the Manix 2. It gets a lot of pocket time, and I'm not sparing the knife. It gives me no reason to think it will ever fail on me.
There are things I won't do with it that I will do with some other folders, but one look at the knife will tell you what they are. Common sense is all it takes.
The Manix 2 is a compromise, I spend some time on the Spyderco forum and most of the talk there is about getting thinner blades and lighter knives. I think that the last thing that customer base wants/needs is a true "tank" of a knife and for their needs the Manix 2 is certainly strong enough.
The Manix 2 is a compromise
I spend some time on the Spyderco forum and most of the talk there is about getting thinner blades and lighter knives. I think that the last thing that customer base wants/needs is a true "tank" of a knife and for their needs the Manix 2 is certainly strong enough.
What I was reacting very strongly against in my earlier posts were the personal attacks against Sal & Eric, especially those questioning their integrity