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So why is it that emerson can't make the knife zt is making. For years I have wished emerson would modernize. But nope same flimsy lock and cheap feel except for the CQC12. I love the wave and I would say it is the number 1 greatest thing to happen to folding knives all time. But for $200 I can buy a zt with wave Elamax blade titanium lock and more. So it's better than the original and near the same price. Why in the world would you buy an original even the cqc12 has less features and is double the price. Why not make this in his own shop. Unless he is trying to go straight custom only. I will only by zt versions from now on or grind my own wave.
 
I don't want to get into it with this subject but here goes.

The ZT & Kershaw models are ZT & Kershaw knives with Emerson features/input so they are produced by ZT & Kershaw. The ZT is different, not better. I do own a HD-7 and a HD-12 but don't use them. I have worn out framelocks, not linerlocks. I have also had the lockbar on framelocks click and disengage on me, never with a linerlock due to my user ways.

Emerson has made his choice of materials so all the complaining won't change the formula that has proven itself to him. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
 
Well, that is possible but think of how many times this subject has been brought up. Also think about how many "Super" steels have entered the knife market since. I just don't see it happening though Emerson may change things up, I don't know. All I know is Emerson has made their knives tougher over the years with thicker liners and increased the size of the blade stop pin which is great. They even started using coarser G10 and some are thicker too.I have had minimal issues and concerns with the brand if any at all. Only pocket knife brand I care for now after spending way too much collecting other brands only to be disappointed by those other brands for my ways. Everyone will have their preferance for what should be what, rightfully so. I love the current build that Emerson uses and hope that doesn't radically change but change does happen.
 
Is it really necessary as a new member to come to our Emerson subforum and trash what we love? If you don't like Emersons, don't buy them, simple as that. If you would rather have the ZT model, get it and enjoy it. Don't try to start trouble for the hell of it
 
When own your very OWN business some day then you can do what ever you want. This is Ernie's business and he can make the knives the way HE wants to. If you don't like it, don't buy any of them. You won't hurt our feelings.
 
They are worth it to people if they are buying them. I know I love my cqc 12 vines and roses and I'd choose it or a regular 12 over the zt any day even if it cost more. Im sure the ZT will be a good knife or heck it might not even be as good as an Emerson it's not even out yet, but I'd choose a straight up proven Emerson all due respect to the zt one.
 
Just an FYI, all of the Kershaw models and the ZT were designed by Emerson.

From Ernie's mouth to the Emerson webpage:

"After all the contracts and signatures were done, it was time to
decide where to start. Kershaw came down to my company to choose the
introductory models. How was that done? Well, over the last several
years I have designed a portfolio of approximately 150 knives. And, be
aware that those are not just sketches or drawings. These are fully
proven, prototype designs and actual working pieces. So when we sat
down we merely had to pick the knives we wanted from the portfolio. We
had also decided that we would introduce the budget priced knives at a
price which would make Emerson Knives available to all. And of course,
there had to be a Zero Tolerance model because, well there just had to
be. These are all my designs, 100% start to finish and the only
changes were to the mounting hardware so they would fit with the
Kershaw manufacturing process. So if any one questions whether I
approved of the designs, they are my designs, so I guess you could say
I approved them."
 
I am just guessing at this, but I assumed the recent collaborations were based off of the Emerson Wave patent about to expire in a few years.
 
Mic77 said:
So why is it that emerson can't make the knife zt is making. For years I have wished emerson would modernize. But nope same flimsy lock and cheap feel except for the CQC12. I love the wave and I would say it is the number 1 greatest thing to happen to folding knives all time. But for $200 I can buy a zt with wave Elamax blade titanium lock and more. So it's better than the original and near the same price. Why in the world would you buy an original even the cqc12 has less features and is double the price. Why not make this in his own shop. Unless he is trying to go straight custom only. I will only by zt versions from now on or grind my own wave.
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Mate, even if you have a legitimate comment to make - and by no means am I saying you do - badmouthing a maker with this kind of subjective negative posting will result in your opinions being given exactly the level of respect they deserve. You'll get further if you express your views politely and frame your comments in such a way as to show some respect. Especially if you're making these comments on a manufacturer's own forum.
 
No one is making you buy Emersons. Besides. Emerson has the materials down to a tee. Get back to me when KAI actually has their materials and designs figured out instead of having to fix it left and right.
 
You have it all wrong boys . I have owned plenty of Emerson's and for a long time found them to be a good knife. He'll they were the original pocket clip tactical knife. My whole family had or has one. But times have changed and so has the tactical knife. What I'm asking is why would you not make the knives the ZT way which is the same as CQC 12 in there own shop. So relax ladies don't be so sensitive. I think it is a valid question not ment to hurt your feelings. I did also say that the wave was the #1 most important invention to folding knives ever sorry that was not enough praise.
 
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If it's not broken..... Times HAVE changed but the thing that has remained a constant is what this TOOL was designed for. Does it cut? Yes Does it deploy in a rapid manner for an emergency situation? Yes Does it field strip for cleaning? Yes Can you sharpen it on the damn sidewalk as a last resort? Yes If the materials have held up to the test and the knife is doing what it's supposed to, then why would Emerson change all of it? Because some materials are "nicer" than others? I'm not going to buy a torque wrench because it's made of titanium. Does my current Craftsman tighten my lug nuts to the factory specs? Yes

People forget the reason behind the production of Ernie's knives.

As for the "flimsy lock and cheap feel" comment. You have the right to your own opinion. A wrong one at that.

ER
 
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Mic77 said:
What I'm asking is why would you not make the knives the ZT way.
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The answer is simple, Emerson is not ZT. It's that same as asking why Buck knives can't make a folder like Chris Reeve. It's how Ernie does business, and it's what he feels is the right thing to do. He has a huge following because his knives are simple, no nonsense tools. It's really that simple. Again, if you want super steels, carbon fiber, pretty knives, get a ZT.
 
When one owns his/her own company, they can do as they please. My guess is he is making enough money to continue things as he sees fit.

Why don't you start your own knife making company, or just make one in your garage like he did, and then put it up here for inspection so we can critique your work and your own innovativeness?

Actually, why don't you post some pics of your wave grind work? I want to see how good you are, because you must be pretty qualified. Since you can declare his knives have "flimsy lock and cheap feel" why don't you teach us a lesson here and show us how it's really supposed to be done?

In other words, put up or shut up. As simple as it gets.

I'm guessing you'll have more words, not action, so prove me wrong!

You have all weekend.
 
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When own your very OWN business some day then you can do what ever you want. This is Ernie's business and he can make the knives the way HE wants to. If you don't like it, don't buy any of them. You won't hurt our feelings.
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What you said, and suggested to Mr. Idea is so true. Remember when I was doing editorial photography, ever business decision effected my bottom line.

People would ask do you do wedding, I would say no, they would say but youra photographer. Yes I was but my area of expertise was editorial.

You would not go to a orthopedic surgeon if you had to have a stent put in your heart. You would find a cardiologist to do the stent because they are heart problems specialists.
 
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