.http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348016
with Ed Fowlers results on this JDM 5160 steel..
The steel ED Fowler has talked so much about, John Deere control shaft steel
new not used.. I found the manufacture and have a deal with them,
forge it from the round shock,
I'll have either and or 1.119, 1.144 or 1.207 dia shafts, and for those that don't forge but stock grind you can make intergracials have it forged or even have Ed Fowler do his magic on it, forging it into bar stock with his method of forging it, he'll work it for you..
..see is his offer below.
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**********the pay page is up for the JDM 5160 steel
please read the note before, paying
http://www.knivesby.com/john-deere-control-shaft-steel-JDM5160.html
, if you have not ordered and want some get on the list..the page also has a link so you can add it to your favorites list and a link to send the page to a friend by email.
check it out..and let me know what you think.. Thanks for the orders
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first post
This is the same stuff that Ed Fowler has used for his quest for the high performance blade.
to back up some
You'll see I stuck my foot in my mouth in shop talk telling Ed that I would find out if I could get my hands on this steel from the horses mouth..
rather than having to find used shafts or buying new shafts to destroy..
With some time and work I've found the manufacture that makes them for JD.
This steel is the JDM5160 shaft steel from control shaft blanks for the shafts being manufactured for John-Deere it's the
end drop steel after cutting them to length, you can not buy this steel from any John Deere dealer, and I will tell you they are very tight lipped about the spec's of this steel.
Ed believes by his writings that there is something different with this steel from the reg 5160's
I am very lucky to find this steel, it took some time as you know by the posts we've made.....
the shafts are made here in the states to JD's spec's.
Bill Burke has ordered a bunch for him and Ed to continue testing JD steel
and has found it to be very good and to his liking.
and Ed said he'd be happy to share and work with others interested in doing the same to find out results from those who use it also..
email me
from the pay site
also
to keep confusion down
e-mail real name with forum name
$2.50 per pound,
flat rate USPS up to ~70 pounds shipped weight $7.70 + insurance to U.S. only.
go here in Shop talk to find out more about the deal..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334803&page=1&pp=20
testing page,
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348016
I can't find REG 5160 less than $2.69 per pound and that stuff is not round JD control shaft steel. so I think we've got a good price here..
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please email from the site link above
you can use
paypal,
online Credit card,
card by phone,
money order
or check.
Cash is good
I'm selling it by the 10 pounds I won't be able to sell the steel at an exact length all the time. please just tell me like ~7" ~13" or if it matters?
any questions please do so by e-mail..lets get some knives made
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Ed Fowler offer
and what the offer is....
Hello Dan:
I have been thinking about working down some of your JDM5160, using all we have learned about low temp forging and the following thermal cycles prior to grinding and heat treat. It would have to sell for about $50 per linear inch to make it work.
We have achieved some great knives following practices used on our 52100 on your steel.
I believe that if the stock removal guys would grind some knives out of it and apply the proper heat treat they could achieve some knives that would out perform most of the other knives out there.
What do you think?
Sincerely
Ed Fowler
Hello Dan:
Sorry to take so long to get back to you, been pretty hectic this afternoon.
Here is the way it would work:
We would forge your steel down at low temp, 1650 absolute top Temp.
Then we would provide the triple bladesmith anneal at 950 and send the steel back to them.
The steel would be a little thicker or wider than they wanted, but as uniform as we can get it with the hammer, but they could drill it, cut it with a saw or surface grind it if they wished. Then go ahead and finish the blade as they wished.
When finished they could use the triple quench and temper.
The cost would be $50 per linear inch, considering how we are working it this would be a bargain.
You can post it where ever you wish.
Take Care Friend
Ed
Hello again Dan:
The steel would be forged down to what ever size they wanted, I would suggest they order it a little oversize to allow for grinding it level.
Also it will be forged only on three sides, there will be no hammer hits on the future spine of the blade. This is to take full advantage of the potential grain refinement gained from forging. The billet will be labeled as to which is the proposed cutting edge.
Take Care Friend
Ed
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with Ed Fowlers results on this JDM 5160 steel..
The steel ED Fowler has talked so much about, John Deere control shaft steel
new not used.. I found the manufacture and have a deal with them,
forge it from the round shock,
I'll have either and or 1.119, 1.144 or 1.207 dia shafts, and for those that don't forge but stock grind you can make intergracials have it forged or even have Ed Fowler do his magic on it, forging it into bar stock with his method of forging it, he'll work it for you..
..see is his offer below.
*************
**********the pay page is up for the JDM 5160 steel
please read the note before, paying
http://www.knivesby.com/john-deere-control-shaft-steel-JDM5160.html
, if you have not ordered and want some get on the list..the page also has a link so you can add it to your favorites list and a link to send the page to a friend by email.
check it out..and let me know what you think.. Thanks for the orders
*********************
first post
This is the same stuff that Ed Fowler has used for his quest for the high performance blade.
to back up some
You'll see I stuck my foot in my mouth in shop talk telling Ed that I would find out if I could get my hands on this steel from the horses mouth..
rather than having to find used shafts or buying new shafts to destroy..
With some time and work I've found the manufacture that makes them for JD.
This steel is the JDM5160 shaft steel from control shaft blanks for the shafts being manufactured for John-Deere it's the
end drop steel after cutting them to length, you can not buy this steel from any John Deere dealer, and I will tell you they are very tight lipped about the spec's of this steel.
Ed believes by his writings that there is something different with this steel from the reg 5160's
I am very lucky to find this steel, it took some time as you know by the posts we've made.....
the shafts are made here in the states to JD's spec's.
Bill Burke has ordered a bunch for him and Ed to continue testing JD steel
and has found it to be very good and to his liking.
and Ed said he'd be happy to share and work with others interested in doing the same to find out results from those who use it also..
email me
from the pay site
also
to keep confusion down
e-mail real name with forum name
$2.50 per pound,
flat rate USPS up to ~70 pounds shipped weight $7.70 + insurance to U.S. only.
go here in Shop talk to find out more about the deal..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334803&page=1&pp=20
testing page,
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348016
I can't find REG 5160 less than $2.69 per pound and that stuff is not round JD control shaft steel. so I think we've got a good price here..
************************
please email from the site link above
you can use
paypal,
online Credit card,
card by phone,
money order
or check.
Cash is good
I'm selling it by the 10 pounds I won't be able to sell the steel at an exact length all the time. please just tell me like ~7" ~13" or if it matters?
any questions please do so by e-mail..lets get some knives made
****************
Ed Fowler offer
and what the offer is....
Hello Dan:
I have been thinking about working down some of your JDM5160, using all we have learned about low temp forging and the following thermal cycles prior to grinding and heat treat. It would have to sell for about $50 per linear inch to make it work.
We have achieved some great knives following practices used on our 52100 on your steel.
I believe that if the stock removal guys would grind some knives out of it and apply the proper heat treat they could achieve some knives that would out perform most of the other knives out there.
What do you think?
Sincerely
Ed Fowler
Hello Dan:
Sorry to take so long to get back to you, been pretty hectic this afternoon.
Here is the way it would work:
We would forge your steel down at low temp, 1650 absolute top Temp.
Then we would provide the triple bladesmith anneal at 950 and send the steel back to them.
The steel would be a little thicker or wider than they wanted, but as uniform as we can get it with the hammer, but they could drill it, cut it with a saw or surface grind it if they wished. Then go ahead and finish the blade as they wished.
When finished they could use the triple quench and temper.
The cost would be $50 per linear inch, considering how we are working it this would be a bargain.
You can post it where ever you wish.
Take Care Friend
Ed
Hello again Dan:
The steel would be forged down to what ever size they wanted, I would suggest they order it a little oversize to allow for grinding it level.
Also it will be forged only on three sides, there will be no hammer hits on the future spine of the blade. This is to take full advantage of the potential grain refinement gained from forging. The billet will be labeled as to which is the proposed cutting edge.
Take Care Friend
Ed
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