Air Rifle for raccoons/skunks

ON EDIT: I just wanted to add that I now have a crossman pump in .177 and it just don't cut it (coons laugh and throw the pellets back at me:D).
Its not so much a matter of calber, as velocity. A lot of .177 rifles are really ment for target shooting or plinking, and shoot at a relativly low 600-700FPS. If you get a "magnum" grade air rifle (1200+ for .177 or 900+ in .22) you will have much better luck.

Anyone have any experience with the Diana RWS 34, Gamo Whisper, or Beeman GS1000?
These are probably on the low end as far as power for the size targets you are looking at. The best hunting air guns can run quite a bit more than your target price, but in your range you might want to look at:

Xisico Air guns BAM XS-28 Combo 3-10x42

If you were willing to bump your price range up to $350-450 there are a number of quality break-barrel or side-lever air rifles in the "magnum" velocity range.

I have considered shooting sub-sonic rounds with my 10/22 as an option also.
I've never tried subsonic rounds in a .22. They should be quiter than normal rounds, but most subsonic rounds are really made for use with a silencer so I don't think they would be as quiet as an air rifle. To get really quiet out of unsilenced .22, you need to go with something like .22 BB CAPS ammo, which is has no powder in it at all, just using the primer to propel the lead ball and which will be even less powerful than a good air rifle.
 
After talking to him, he doesn't think that I'll really see much of a reduction in noise between his air guns and my 10/22.

He's right. I cant remember off the top of my head but I think my model 48 shoots about 900-1000 with the .22 cal pellet. The only reason I got it is when I was younger and lived with my parents I knew I would get in trouble for shooting as real .22 in the neighborhood. I figured if I ever got the cops called on me I could say "but, but, but, its only an air rifle";).

Its a little quieter than my Remington 597 but not by much.
 
I learned to shoot from an old gruff retired Sgt. with a Daisy powerline 853. don't laugh.

It cocks with a single stroke, loads from the top like a bolt action, so no messy magazines full of pellets one shot at a time. (you can pump it more than once and get some extra BLAMMMMooo out of it, but its not recommended)

Oh and it comes with match sights on the right model that would litterally allow you to tack a nagts ass at a respectable distance, no shit, we use to flatten out pellets out (about 3/8" with a .177 pellet if i remember right) and knock those flat little lead things off the wood target with near 100% accuracy. 10m comp shooting 3 position. excellent way for ki8ds to learn too i think, respectable pellet gun good sights, not too bad on price,really its hard not to liike unless you are a compressed gas cylinder type.

http://www.daisy.com/shopping/customer/product.php?productid=16204&cat=253

FYI, if you want a nice 22 on the cheap, try this one, takes some hoops to get registered and ready but in the end its beneficial and alot of people dont exersise this government program enough.

http://auction.odcmp.com/auctions/detail.asp?id=1609 (had to post it in case someone else likes them)

or this steal http://auction.odcmp.com/auctions/detail.asp?id=1617

point is watch this website if you are able to take part of the deals some a good, some not so good.
 
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I had a possum poblem for a while and I bought a .22 Airforce Condor which is nearly as powerful as a .22 subsonic, but with glass they are nearly $1k. Dont do a Gamo for sure, get somthing with a solid steel barrel, RWS or Beeman are great choices, get somthing that will do at least 900fps with a .22. and for game you need to use predator polymag pellets ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=140245486663 ) I took a 20+lb possom with a single shot through the eye from about 35yds.
 
Unless you find a super high powered air rifle (likely very expensive), it's just not going to be enough for a coon or skunk unless you get a lucky very well placed shot. Stick with a 22 rifle if you can.
 
With rimfire or air power, shot placement is key. Coons are tough, and you can't shoot them straight on in the head, even .22 rimfire will bounce off their thick frontal skull! The side of the skull is relatively weak, however, so a profile shot to the brainpan will put them immediately down.

Skunks are different because of their spray factor, which WILL leak out no matter how you shoot them. It can be done scent free, however, it's just a matter of shot placement time. If you don't kill them immediately, it will come out, even a brain shot will allow them to leak their spray out relatively quickly. To do the job odor free, you need to dig a deep hole beforehand, put eggs or tuna or whatever bait you use near the hole. Let them come and eat for free for a few nights to get used to the feeding routine and comfortable with the set up, then use a double-lung shot (profile only) to put them down.* Puncturing both lungs makes them incapable of spraying, and even delays their spray from leaking for a minute. It will eventually leak out, but you have time to bury them before it does. If you only get one lung, however, you will definitely smell them.

I've done my pest control with .22 cal. air rifles. I don't think I'd want anything less for coons and skunks because they're getting up to the limit of spring-piston quarry. I use an Air Arms Pro-Elite, which is no longer made and out of your price range. You may be able to find a Beeman R-9 (used) or RWS equivalent to meet your price point.

With air guns, it's really about precision and shot placement. Don't believe the overly-hyped marketing velocity numbers. I've never see any that come close to what a real-world chronograph will measure with real-world ammo. With pellets, there is no such thing as "energy dump", you only have caliber (cross section) and penetration. But if you hit the right mark, that's all you need. ;) 3 foot pounds to a squirrel's head and it's lights out for the squirrel. That's an amazingly small amount of energy, but directed to the profile or back of the head, it's all you need.

*It helps to study anatomy to get the shot placement right. Look at skeletons if you have a nearby natural museum, or see if you can get 3-D models online. Rotate the model around and get a good idea of brain, heart and lung placement from all angles. Carefully consider what angles will give you a good shot, and what angles should be avoided. Most people tend to shoot forward of the lungs, towards the shoulders. They're located a bit further back than you might expect. Look and the profile and consider how much of a "true profile" you will need to have a certain double lung shot.
 
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to study up on the biology, you could take your first kill, and leave it on an ant pile. they will pick it clean in a week (and consequently it should be free of anything that would prevent you from storing it long periods if left alone to the ants), and leave you with a nice skeleton to examine.
 
With rimfire or air power, shot placement is key. Coons are tough, and you can't shoot them straight on in the head, even .22 rimfire will bounce off their thick frontal skull! The side of the skull is relatively weak, however, so a profile shot to the brainpan will put them immediately down.

Skunks are different because of their spray factor, which WILL leak out no matter how you shoot them. It can be done scent free, however, it's just a matter of shot placement time. If you don't kill them immediately, it will come out, even a brain shot will allow them to leak their spray out relatively quickly. To do the job odor free, you need to dig a deep hole beforehand, put eggs or tuna or whatever bait you use near the hole. Let them come and eat for free for a few nights to get used to the feeding routine and comfortable with the set up, then use a double-lung shot (profile only) to put them down.* Puncturing both lungs makes them incapable of spraying, and even delays their spray from leaking for a minute. It will eventually leak out, but you have time to bury them before it does. If you only get one lung, however, you will definitely smell them.

I've done my pest control with .22 cal. air rifles. I don't think I'd want anything less for coons and skunks because they're getting up to the limit of spring-piston quarry. I use an Air Arms Pro-Elite, which is no longer made and out of your price range. You may be able to find a Beeman R-9 (used) or RWS equivalent to meet your price point.

With air guns, it's really about precision and shot placement. Don't believe the overly-hyped marketing velocity numbers. I've never see any that come close to what a real-world chronograph will measure with real-world ammo. With pellets, there is no such thing as "energy dump", you only have caliber (cross section) and penetration. But if you hit the right mark, that's all you need. ;) 3 foot pounds to a squirrel's head and it's lights out for the squirrel. That's an amazingly small amount of energy, but directed to the profile or back of the head, it's all you need.

*It helps to study anatomy to get the shot placement right. Look at skeletons if you have a nearby natural museum, or see if you can get 3-D models online. Rotate the model around and get a good idea of brain, heart and lung placement from all angles. Carefully consider what angles will give you a good shot, and what angles should be avoided. Most people tend to shoot forward of the lungs, towards the shoulders. They're located a bit further back than you might expect. Look and the profile and consider how much of a "true profile" you will need to have a certain double lung shot.

Good post! I also shoot an AA Pro-Elite. GREAT Rifle! I don't know why they still don't make it!

Tom
 
Good post! I also shoot an AA Pro-Elite. GREAT Rifle! I don't know why they still don't make it!

Tom

Wow, this is an old chain.

Yeah, I love my Pro-Elite. It is one of the best sporters ever produced, period. More accuracy and smoothness for the energy level than any other springer I've ever shot, maybe ever produced even.

It went out of production because Britain has a 12 FPE limit on air rifles. Even a fraction over that limit and it's treated as a firearm--no kidding, you need a FID permit or you take a firearms violation rap. Police there even carry Chronies in their trunks, and they check the velocity if there is any question. You'd better be careful when you tune your rifles because even slightly over the limit means you are in possession of a firearm.

The Pro-Elite was (and still is) popular in the .22 cal. version over here. Mine shoots just over 21 FPE with JSBs. Because of the power limitation in Britain, the .177 cal. version was popular, but even then, it had to be a power-reduced version. It didn't make sense to have a gun that heavy and capable of so much power in a reduced-power, .177 cal. version, and it didn't catch on as much as the other Air Arms guns, especially the TX-200, which is a less powerful air rifle in a smaller packages.

Besides the target-rifle like accuracy, excellent field trigger, smooth recoil and deep bluing, I really like the baffled internal shroud. The gun would be much louder without it, and it's legal without the suppressor tax because it's an airgun and there is no "device" to remove, it's integral to the gun. I hope you enjoy your PE as much as I enjoy mine.
 
Thanks.
I have been using my 10/22 but I'm kind of hoping to keep the noise down a bit.

tim - I took an air rifle to a skunk once. Got a good center hit, but the little bastard sprayed me good before he died. (Should have shot him in the head, but the angle was wrong.) .177 is a bit light for game of this size unless you can pinpoint your shot.

You may want to look into the "CB Long" ammo made by CCI and Agilla. Just as quiet as an air rifle, but with a heavier projectile (29 gr) with better range and more "thump" on target. It won't cycle in your Ruger, but the extra length of the case will allow for manual operation without jamming.

In hunting skunks especially, the further you are from them, the better.... :D

TR Graham
The Glocksmith
 
tim - I took an air rifle to a skunk once. Got a good center hit, but the little bastard sprayed me good before he died. (Should have shot him in the head, but the angle was wrong.) .177 is a bit light for game of this size unless you can pinpoint your shot.

You may want to look into the "CB Long" ammo made by CCI and Agilla. Just as quiet as an air rifle, but with a heavier projectile (29 gr) with better range and more "thump" on target. It won't cycle in your Ruger, but the extra length of the case will allow for manual operation without jamming.

In hunting skunks especially, the further you are from them, the better.... :D

TR Graham
The Glocksmith

I shot a friends Gamo whisper in .177, and RWS Big Game in .22 a while ago and really didn't see much difference in the sound they make compared to my 10/22... I was really surprised at how much louder his air rifles were than my little .177 Crossman pump (it's much, much quieter in comparison), but I'd never try to shoot anything larger than a squirrel with it.

At this point, I've pretty much decided that I'll just continue to use the 10/22 on skunks and coons (skrew the noise). Last year I put quite a few skunks down for their final "dirt nap" and was pretty lucky when it came to avoiding their spray.

I do appreciate all the input here... thanks all!
 
A 22LR suppressor would cut the noise but, you're looking at ~$500 with the $200 NFA tax stamp.
 
A 22LR suppressor would cut the noise but, you're looking at ~$500 with the $200 NFA tax stamp.

Tell me about it!;) I'd LOVE to have one, but I just can't justify that kind of cost to kill skunks.:D
 
I'm a fan of the CCI CB Caps. I've also used the Remington Subsonic rounds. As everyone has mentioned, they won't cycle a semi-auto action, but with an accurate rifle it's not much of an issue...

+1, in a boltie .22, they're super quiet.
 
If you can find an old one of these at a reasonable price there is a company called MAC-1 Airguns that will mod it [they call it steroiding] to shoot about 1000fps for about 85-100$. My 10$ tag sale special is headed that way now. they have a website and also sell new guns--KV
 
I was just having a brainstorm, and I thought to myself..........why don't you check out some of the .25-caliber and up air rifles? Walther makes several .25-caliber air rifles, including the Falcon Hunter which will range around 800fps, and will supposedly climb up to nearly 1000fps if you use some of these newfangled lead-free pellets that are being introduced by various manufacturers. There are also a number of 9mm, .45 and .50-caliber air rifles to be found if you hunt around. This is the site where I've seen most of these higher power air rifles....http://www.airgundepot.com
 
I use a sheridan blue streak and it works great. I think it will be in your price range.
 
i modded my blue streak myself and it was way over 1000 fps. when i first put it back together i shot a pellet at a steel plate and all i found were 2 pieces. a ring of lead and a small disc which i figured was the backside of the pellet. sometimes i wouldnt find anything but specks of lead if i oiled it up really good.
 
These mid powered air rifles won't kill a raccoon with one shot. A Sheridan produces at most 700 fps and a .20 caliber is about 12 grains of lead. It won't kill a wild dog or a raccoon, unless you have it where it can't get away and shoot it many times. I've seen treed raccoons shot with higher powered air rifles than that and it barely affected them.
A skunk isn't nearly as tough as a coon, but I doubt it would do more than make him spray and run away unless you got very lucky and hit the brain.
 
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