New here, not new to knives. I tend to lurk since there are so many here who know more than I do and have become friends here. No need to upset the balance of nature.
All the same, think of this as a firestarter. I think Benchmade has whizzed in its corn flakes.
This may have been bounced around in the past and if so, please 'scuse me and let me know and I'll delete the message. We'll both move on to something else.
I tend to be loyal if for no other reason than there isn't a lot of time to research all the alternatives then use the buy and try method of getting what I want. If something works for me, then I stick with it until it is proved that something else is better. So, I have been a loyal Benchmade customer for many years now. Other than the occasional Russell One Hand Knife, or some other toy here and there, it has been BM all the way. At least in folding knives. 710, Adamas, Presidio, Griptilian, etc. in D2, 20CV, M390, S30V, and M4. I'm not claiming to be an expert, or even all that knowledgeable, but some observations are hard to ignore. Or excuse.
Thing is, in the last year or so I bought a few Spydercos in 4V, M4 and Cruwear, and a Hogue Ritter in M390 and I honestly believe that BM has been passed by. The Benchmade Presidio, Adamas, and 710 are OK, but the Griptilian feels cheap. Not inexpensive, cheap. Granted it is at the lower cost end of the BM line, but for the price they should feel more solid. Buck feels more solid to me at half the price. The Hogue Ritter is about the same price as a custom Griptilian yet their build quality feels more solid and their M390 is, at least to my perception in use and sharpening, better than BMs M390.
More to the point, the same alloy from Hogue and Spyderco is better than BM, at least for my use and purposes. Specifically M4 and M390 seem to be harder from Spyderco and Hogue. Hard to quantify without head to head testing, but the BMs seem to get dull easier and also feel softer when sharpening them. I have a terrible time getting a good edge on a Griptilian 20CV but another Griptilian in M4 takes a great edge but also feels soft when sharpening and dulls easier than I think an M4 blade should. Head to head, both the 710 and the Nakamura in M390 are softer feeling than the Hogue M390. As a matter of fact, they don't have a "high alloy" feel at all. More like an average to maybe a little above average US made hardware store knife. Good, sure, but not enough so as to justify the lofty BM price tag. Maybe BM is courting the buyers who either own safe queens or lack the knowledge, the patience, or the skill to sharpen a hard knife like properly heat treated M390 or S90V.
Others are pushing the heat treatment more than BM. Maybe BM is being careful to not make a brittle blade for warranty reasons, but if someone is stupid enough to break the blade on a Griptilian, then their stupidity needs to cost them.
As I said, I tend to be a loyal and repeat customer, but my relatively limited experience has me looking around more and more when the urge to get another knife becomes overwhelming.
For certain, all this is subjective, but I have owned and carried a pocket knife since the mid 1950s and a few laps around the block counts for at least a little bit of something.
Then again, I could be wrong.
NAH!
All the same, think of this as a firestarter. I think Benchmade has whizzed in its corn flakes.
This may have been bounced around in the past and if so, please 'scuse me and let me know and I'll delete the message. We'll both move on to something else.
I tend to be loyal if for no other reason than there isn't a lot of time to research all the alternatives then use the buy and try method of getting what I want. If something works for me, then I stick with it until it is proved that something else is better. So, I have been a loyal Benchmade customer for many years now. Other than the occasional Russell One Hand Knife, or some other toy here and there, it has been BM all the way. At least in folding knives. 710, Adamas, Presidio, Griptilian, etc. in D2, 20CV, M390, S30V, and M4. I'm not claiming to be an expert, or even all that knowledgeable, but some observations are hard to ignore. Or excuse.
Thing is, in the last year or so I bought a few Spydercos in 4V, M4 and Cruwear, and a Hogue Ritter in M390 and I honestly believe that BM has been passed by. The Benchmade Presidio, Adamas, and 710 are OK, but the Griptilian feels cheap. Not inexpensive, cheap. Granted it is at the lower cost end of the BM line, but for the price they should feel more solid. Buck feels more solid to me at half the price. The Hogue Ritter is about the same price as a custom Griptilian yet their build quality feels more solid and their M390 is, at least to my perception in use and sharpening, better than BMs M390.
More to the point, the same alloy from Hogue and Spyderco is better than BM, at least for my use and purposes. Specifically M4 and M390 seem to be harder from Spyderco and Hogue. Hard to quantify without head to head testing, but the BMs seem to get dull easier and also feel softer when sharpening them. I have a terrible time getting a good edge on a Griptilian 20CV but another Griptilian in M4 takes a great edge but also feels soft when sharpening and dulls easier than I think an M4 blade should. Head to head, both the 710 and the Nakamura in M390 are softer feeling than the Hogue M390. As a matter of fact, they don't have a "high alloy" feel at all. More like an average to maybe a little above average US made hardware store knife. Good, sure, but not enough so as to justify the lofty BM price tag. Maybe BM is courting the buyers who either own safe queens or lack the knowledge, the patience, or the skill to sharpen a hard knife like properly heat treated M390 or S90V.
Others are pushing the heat treatment more than BM. Maybe BM is being careful to not make a brittle blade for warranty reasons, but if someone is stupid enough to break the blade on a Griptilian, then their stupidity needs to cost them.
As I said, I tend to be a loyal and repeat customer, but my relatively limited experience has me looking around more and more when the urge to get another knife becomes overwhelming.
For certain, all this is subjective, but I have owned and carried a pocket knife since the mid 1950s and a few laps around the block counts for at least a little bit of something.
Then again, I could be wrong.
NAH!